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Plumbing question cheapdave 10-17-2009
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Posted by on October 17, 2009, 4:55 pm


I have hot water heating, and removed all the baseboard heaters to refinish
living room floor. My house was built in 1951 and has old style baseboard
heaters they have two 1/2 inch copper pipes that run through them and each
section is 54 inch long and sweat soldered together...anyway about 36 ft
altogether. I made a few cuts to get it apart and now have run into a
problem trying to put back together...it seems that the 1/2 inch copper they
used in 1951 (or at least what was used in my system) is about 1/16 inch
bigger than the fittings - 1/2" elbows & couplers.....................what
to do? I have tired using emery cloth to grind down old copper a little so
the fitting will go over it, but it is not working, after much work can just
get fitting on like 1/16 inch..... I can not afford to go out and buy all
new heaters right now......I only have 2 90's and about 8 couplers to sweat
together........what to do???? any help appreciated.

Posted by jeff_wisnia on October 17, 2009, 5:25 pm


cheapdave@home.com wrote:
> I have hot water heating, and removed all the baseboard heaters to refinish
> living room floor. My house was built in 1951 and has old style baseboard
> heaters they have two 1/2 inch copper pipes that run through them and each
> section is 54 inch long and sweat soldered together...anyway about 36 ft
> altogether. I made a few cuts to get it apart and now have run into a
> problem trying to put back together...it seems that the 1/2 inch copper they
> used in 1951 (or at least what was used in my system) is about 1/16 inch
> bigger than the fittings - 1/2" elbows & couplers.....................what
> to do? I have tired using emery cloth to grind down old copper a little so
> the fitting will go over it, but it is not working, after much work can just
> get fitting on like 1/16 inch..... I can not afford to go out and buy all
> new heaters right now......I only have 2 90's and about 8 couplers to sweat
> together........what to do???? any help appreciated.

Any chance those olde heaters use 5/8" pipe and not the 1/2" pipe you're
described?

You know, there is a 5/8" copper pipe standard:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/astm-copper-tubes-d_779.html

Have you used a vernier caliper or a micrometer to confirm the pipe's
outside diameter?

And, they do make fittings for 5/8" copper pipe:

http://www.hardwareandtools.com/invt/u102106

Good luck, let us know how you make out,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Posted by on October 17, 2009, 9:20 pm


On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:25:40 -0400, jeff_wisnia

>cheapdave@home.com wrote:
>> I have hot water heating, and removed all the baseboard heaters to refinish
>> living room floor. My house was built in 1951 and has old style baseboard
>> heaters they have two 1/2 inch copper pipes that run through them and each
>> section is 54 inch long and sweat soldered together...anyway about 36 ft
>> altogether. I made a few cuts to get it apart and now have run into a
>> problem trying to put back together...it seems that the 1/2 inch copper they
>> used in 1951 (or at least what was used in my system) is about 1/16 inch
>> bigger than the fittings - 1/2" elbows & couplers.....................what
>> to do? I have tired using emery cloth to grind down old copper a little so
>> the fitting will go over it, but it is not working, after much work can just
>> get fitting on like 1/16 inch..... I can not afford to go out and buy all
>> new heaters right now......I only have 2 90's and about 8 couplers to sweat
>> together........what to do???? any help appreciated.
>Any chance those olde heaters use 5/8" pipe and not the 1/2" pipe you're
>described?
>You know, there is a 5/8" copper pipe standard:
>http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/astm-copper-tubes-d_779.html
>Have you used a vernier caliper or a micrometer to confirm the pipe's
>outside diameter?
>And, they do make fittings for 5/8" copper pipe:
>http://www.hardwareandtools.com/invt/u102106
>Good luck, let us know how you make out,
>Jeff


I was going to say the same. MOST Hydronic heating systems used a lot
of 5/8" copper.

Posted by jim on October 17, 2009, 10:34 pm


On Oct 17, 8:20=A0pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:25:40 -0400, jeff_wisnia
> >cheapd...@home.com wrote:
> >> I have hot water heating, and removed =A0all the baseboard heaters to =
refinish
> >> living room floor. =A0My house was built in 1951 and has old style bas=
eboard
> >> heaters they have two 1/2 inch copper pipes that run through them and =
each
> >> section is 54 inch long and sweat soldered together...anyway about 36 =
ft
> >> altogether. I made a few cuts to get it apart and now have run into a
> >> problem trying to put back together...it seems that the 1/2 inch coppe=
r they
> >> used in 1951 (or at least what was used in my system) is about 1/16 in=
ch
> >> bigger than the fittings - 1/2" elbows & couplers.....................=
what
> >> to do? =A0I have tired using emery cloth to grind down old copper a li=
ttle so
> >> the fitting will go over it, but it is not working, after much work ca=
n just
> >> get fitting on like 1/16 inch..... I can not afford to go out and buy =
all
> >> new heaters right now......I only have 2 90's and about 8 couplers to =
sweat
> >> together........what to do???? any help appreciated.
> >Any chance those olde heaters use 5/8" pipe and not the 1/2" pipe you're
> >described?
> >You know, there is a 5/8" copper pipe standard:
> >http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/astm-copper-tubes-d_779.html
> >Have you used a vernier caliper or a micrometer to confirm the pipe's
> >outside diameter?
> >And, they do make fittings for 5/8" copper pipe:
> >http://www.hardwareandtools.com/invt/u102106
> >Good luck, let us know how you make out,
> >Jeff
> I was going to say the same. MOST Hydronic heating systems used a lot
> of 5/8" copper.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

You have copper tubing not pipe and you should be able to get the
fittings at a wholesale not Home Depot Refridge fittings will work do
not sand the pipe thinner as it is holding some pressure in the system

Posted by RBM on October 17, 2009, 6:27 pm



>I have hot water heating, and removed all the baseboard heaters to
>refinish
> living room floor. My house was built in 1951 and has old style baseboard
> heaters they have two 1/2 inch copper pipes that run through them and each
> section is 54 inch long and sweat soldered together...anyway about 36 ft
> altogether. I made a few cuts to get it apart and now have run into a
> problem trying to put back together...it seems that the 1/2 inch copper
> they
> used in 1951 (or at least what was used in my system) is about 1/16 inch
> bigger than the fittings - 1/2" elbows & couplers.....................what
> to do? I have tired using emery cloth to grind down old copper a little
> so
> the fitting will go over it, but it is not working, after much work can
> just
> get fitting on like 1/16 inch..... I can not afford to go out and buy all
> new heaters right now......I only have 2 90's and about 8 couplers to
> sweat
> together........what to do???? any help appreciated.


I would expect them to be 3/4", but it's possible they're 5/8" as Jeff said



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