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Pool light grounding anthonymark010 07-23-2008
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Posted by on July 23, 2008, 10:22 am


Hi, I have a couple of questions about my swimming pool light..

We recently rebuilt a 40 year old inground pool. There was an old
light in the pool when it was new, deactivated years ago. The niche
was left in place and the cavity was covered over during a past liner
change.

Now this spring we excavated the old niche, replaced with a new
Hayward plastic niche and Astrolite, 300 watt, 12 volt. New
transformer in the basement of the home.

I hired an electrician to wire transformer and light, and we did not
have the instruction sheet for the light at that time.

After receiving the instruction sheet, I find electrician has missed
several key points and i'd some opinions on how serious a problem I
have here.

First, the instructions indicate the conduit from the niche must
continue all the way to the basement and terminate a foot above water
level. What electrician has done is no conduit, underground cable from
house to junction box at ground level on pool deck, and cut pool light
cable at that point and connected inside weatherproof junction box.
There is approximately 4 feel of plastic conduit from niche to the
junction box, sealed with silicon.

Second, instructions indicate the niche itself should be grounded and
the ground wire encapsulated. This did not happen. I could easily
snake a ground wire through the conduit and into the niche, but i
cannot encapulate now since the pool is full of water and cannot be
drained down the niche level without risking pulling new liner out of
the coping track. Without encapsulation, the copper ground will
rapidly corrode and break, since this is a "wet" niche which fills
with water.

I am very concerned about the safety of this install, and could really
use some opinion from
someone with more electrical experience than me.


Posted by John Grabowski on July 23, 2008, 4:40 pm



> Hi, I have a couple of questions about my swimming pool light..
>
> We recently rebuilt a 40 year old inground pool. There was an old
> light in the pool when it was new, deactivated years ago. The niche
> was left in place and the cavity was covered over during a past liner
> change.
>
> Now this spring we excavated the old niche, replaced with a new
> Hayward plastic niche and Astrolite, 300 watt, 12 volt. New
> transformer in the basement of the home.
>
> I hired an electrician to wire transformer and light, and we did not
> have the instruction sheet for the light at that time.
>
> After receiving the instruction sheet, I find electrician has missed
> several key points and i'd some opinions on how serious a problem I
> have here.
>
> First, the instructions indicate the conduit from the niche must
> continue all the way to the basement and terminate a foot above water
> level. What electrician has done is no conduit, underground cable from
> house to junction box at ground level on pool deck, and cut pool light
> cable at that point and connected inside weatherproof junction box.
> There is approximately 4 feel of plastic conduit from niche to the
> junction box, sealed with silicon.
>
> Second, instructions indicate the niche itself should be grounded and
> the ground wire encapsulated. This did not happen. I could easily
> snake a ground wire through the conduit and into the niche, but i
> cannot encapulate now since the pool is full of water and cannot be
> drained down the niche level without risking pulling new liner out of
> the coping track. Without encapsulation, the copper ground will
> rapidly corrode and break, since this is a "wet" niche which fills
> with water.
>
> I am very concerned about the safety of this install, and could really
> use some opinion from
> someone with more electrical experience than me.


Did the electrical inspector approve this installation?

According to the electrical code 680.24(A)(2)(c) Flush deck box. If used on
a lighting system operating at 15 volts or less, a flush deck box shall be
permitted if both of the following apply:
(1) An approved potting compound is used to fill the box to prevent the
entrance of moisture.
(2) The flush deck box is located not less than 4' from the inside wall of
the pool.

However if the manufacturer provided very specific instructions that must be
followed, than the installation needs to be redone. You could contact the
manufacturer to find out if it is okay to deviate as long as the
installation is code compliant.

The most common type of pool lighting installation has deck boxes mounted
around 8" high above the deck with the conduits coming into the bottom. They
are usually located toward the back edge of the pool deck so that they are
out of sight and to avoid a tripping hazard. By keeping the deck boxes 8"
high there is no chance that water from the pool will get into them.

I don't recall ever seeing underground cable being used in a pool deck for
lighting. It is usually conduit.

This circuit must be GFI protected.

I hope that you installed the #8 solid copper bonding wire and mesh in the
deck. The niche probably needs to be bonded to this with a #8 solid as
well.

Contact your pool company and ask them for suggestions.


Posted by RBM on July 23, 2008, 4:56 pm



>
>> Hi, I have a couple of questions about my swimming pool light..
>>
>> We recently rebuilt a 40 year old inground pool. There was an old
>> light in the pool when it was new, deactivated years ago. The niche
>> was left in place and the cavity was covered over during a past liner
>> change.
>>
>> Now this spring we excavated the old niche, replaced with a new
>> Hayward plastic niche and Astrolite, 300 watt, 12 volt. New
>> transformer in the basement of the home.
>>
>> I hired an electrician to wire transformer and light, and we did not
>> have the instruction sheet for the light at that time.
>>
>> After receiving the instruction sheet, I find electrician has missed
>> several key points and i'd some opinions on how serious a problem I
>> have here.
>>
>> First, the instructions indicate the conduit from the niche must
>> continue all the way to the basement and terminate a foot above water
>> level. What electrician has done is no conduit, underground cable from
>> house to junction box at ground level on pool deck, and cut pool light
>> cable at that point and connected inside weatherproof junction box.
>> There is approximately 4 feel of plastic conduit from niche to the
>> junction box, sealed with silicon.
>>
>> Second, instructions indicate the niche itself should be grounded and
>> the ground wire encapsulated. This did not happen. I could easily
>> snake a ground wire through the conduit and into the niche, but i
>> cannot encapulate now since the pool is full of water and cannot be
>> drained down the niche level without risking pulling new liner out of
>> the coping track. Without encapsulation, the copper ground will
>> rapidly corrode and break, since this is a "wet" niche which fills
>> with water.
>>
>> I am very concerned about the safety of this install, and could really
>> use some opinion from
>> someone with more electrical experience than me.
>
>
> Did the electrical inspector approve this installation?
>
> According to the electrical code 680.24(A)(2)(c) Flush deck box. If used
> on a lighting system operating at 15 volts or less, a flush deck box shall
> be permitted if both of the following apply:
> (1) An approved potting compound is used to fill the box to prevent the
> entrance of moisture.
> (2) The flush deck box is located not less than 4' from the inside wall of
> the pool.
>
> However if the manufacturer provided very specific instructions that must
> be followed, than the installation needs to be redone. You could contact
> the manufacturer to find out if it is okay to deviate as long as the
> installation is code compliant.
>
> The most common type of pool lighting installation has deck boxes mounted
> around 8" high above the deck with the conduits coming into the bottom.
> They are usually located toward the back edge of the pool deck so that
> they are out of sight and to avoid a tripping hazard. By keeping the deck
> boxes 8" high there is no chance that water from the pool will get into
> them.
>
> I don't recall ever seeing underground cable being used in a pool deck for
> lighting. It is usually conduit.
>
> This circuit must be GFI protected.
>
> I hope that you installed the #8 solid copper bonding wire and mesh in the
> deck. The niche probably needs to be bonded to this with a #8 solid as
> well.
>
> Contact your pool company and ask them for suggestions.

I don't know of any exception that would allow direct burial to a deck box,
but as for the wet niche, if it's plastic, there would be nothing to attach
a bond to
>



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