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Popcorn (Acoustic) Ceiling - Redo or remove Harry Muscle 08-02-2005
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Posted by Harry Muscle on August 2, 2005, 12:47 pm


I just moved into a house build in 1971 and the living room has a
popcorn or acoustic ceiling. It looks like it's been painted, probably
a few times. It doesn't look the best anymore, so a friend of mine
offered to re-popcorn the whole ceiling for me. He said I just have to
prime it first. However, I'm debating if I really want to do this.
I've read that the bond of the "popcorn" is very week and the more
stuff you add to the ceiling the more weight and the possibility of
patches coming down due to the weight of a couple layers of paint and
new texture. Is re-popcorning such a ceiling a common practice? Does
it usually come out good when done by someone who knows what they are
doing?

Or should I just get rid of it. I'm concerned about asbestos though.
I've called around to get a sample tested, but it's quite expensive and
it takes a long time for results. I've got about a weeks to figure out
what to do and actually do it, since that's when the floor guy is
comming to refinish the floors, after that I'd rather not mess with the
ceiling anymore.

Thanks for any input,
Harry



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Posted by Ulysses on August 2, 2005, 1:05 pm



> I just moved into a house build in 1971 and the living room has a
> popcorn or acoustic ceiling. It looks like it's been painted, probably
> a few times. It doesn't look the best anymore, so a friend of mine
> offered to re-popcorn the whole ceiling for me. He said I just have to
> prime it first. However, I'm debating if I really want to do this.
> I've read that the bond of the "popcorn" is very week and the more
> stuff you add to the ceiling the more weight and the possibility of
> patches coming down due to the weight of a couple layers of paint and
> new texture. Is re-popcorning such a ceiling a common practice? Does
> it usually come out good when done by someone who knows what they are
> doing?
>
> Or should I just get rid of it. I'm concerned about asbestos though.
> I've called around to get a sample tested, but it's quite expensive and
> it takes a long time for results. I've got about a weeks to figure out
> what to do and actually do it, since that's when the floor guy is
> comming to refinish the floors, after that I'd rather not mess with the
> ceiling anymore.
>
> Thanks for any input,
> Harry
>
If it was built in 1971 I would just assume it contains asbestos and have it
removed accordingly. I had a house built in '71 and contacted the local
health department to find out what I should do to prevent exposure to
asbestos fibers. They sent me a book about 1 1/2 inches thick. It all
boiled down to "if you don't disturb it it's not s significant health
hazard." Personally I think I would patch any empty spots and just paint
over it. More paint might keep any loose fibers where they are.

You also probably have asbestos heating ducts, water heater insulation (on
the pipes), asbestos on the furnace ducts, and possibly even asbestos in
any linolium flooring. Do you have aluminum wiring too? That is a
potential fire hazard.





Posted by Harry Muscle on August 2, 2005, 2:02 pm


Ya, I'm rewiring the house in a few months to get rid of the aluminum
wiring ...

My biggest concern with keeping the ceiling is that I might be covering
things up nice and good now, but if things do in fact get too heavy to
stay put, I'll have a ceiling that's going to start falling down and
release asbestos over time ...

Thanks,
Harry



Posted by SQLit on August 2, 2005, 2:19 pm



> Ya, I'm rewiring the house in a few months to get rid of the aluminum
> wiring ...
>
> My biggest concern with keeping the ceiling is that I might be covering
> things up nice and good now, but if things do in fact get too heavy to
> stay put, I'll have a ceiling that's going to start falling down and
> release asbestos over time ...
>
> Thanks,
> Harry

There is absolutely nothing wrong with AL wiring. Utilities rarely use
copper. The problems come from the guy installing and TERMINATING the AL
wiring. If you use the labled and listed equipment for the purpose there
nothing wrong with AL. If it was so bad then why is your house still
standing?

You are probably in for a surprise when you remove the popcorn. I did this
in 1/2 of my old home. Found out VERY quickly that the ceiling was not taped
and finished for a "flat texture".
I putzed with it for a couple of weeks and then hired a contractor to finish
the job right. 4 trips that made. Smoothing the joints larger and larger.
Last coat they were using 24 inch wide tools.
I primed two coats, painted two coats and I could still see the joints in
certain light angles. I got ready to sell the home and did not have the
time to paint so I hired a contractor to do the painting. He endded up
putting 3 coats on the ceiling. I STILL could see the joints under certain
light conditions.
Contractor used a splatter then knock down texture for the ceiling to
complement the kitchen area. I hope yours goes better.




Posted by SteveB on August 2, 2005, 1:14 pm



>I just moved into a house build in 1971 and the living room has a
> popcorn or acoustic ceiling. It looks like it's been painted, probably
> a few times. It doesn't look the best anymore, so a friend of mine
> offered to re-popcorn the whole ceiling for me. He said I just have to
> prime it first. However, I'm debating if I really want to do this.
> I've read that the bond of the "popcorn" is very week and the more
> stuff you add to the ceiling the more weight and the possibility of
> patches coming down due to the weight of a couple layers of paint and
> new texture. Is re-popcorning such a ceiling a common practice? Does
> it usually come out good when done by someone who knows what they are
> doing?
>
> Or should I just get rid of it. I'm concerned about asbestos though.
> I've called around to get a sample tested, but it's quite expensive and
> it takes a long time for results. I've got about a weeks to figure out
> what to do and actually do it, since that's when the floor guy is
> comming to refinish the floors, after that I'd rather not mess with the
> ceiling anymore.
>
> Thanks for any input,
> Harry
>

I just had it taken off the ceiling in my family room and dining room. I
wonder why I didn't take it off ten years ago.

Take it off! Makes it easier to paint, keep clean, all sorts of stuff.

But, when you do have it taken off, I would suggest that you have it
retextured to match the walls. Not really expensive, and with a new coat of
paint, will look like a totally different room.

If you are going to have other work done, and have to clear the floor, NOW
is the time to get it done.

I guarantee you will not regret it.

Steve




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