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Posted by Chip C on June 17, 2005, 12:42 pm
toller wrote:
> I bought them because I went to HD to get my fittings.
> My joints were fine; well at least they don't leak.
> But they don't inspire confidence. The contact area is obviously less then
> a normal fitting, and I just enjoy seeing the solder drawn in. I haven't
> used them since.
These were featured on This Old House (or mebbe AskTOH) like a week
ago, in a little feature on alternative plumbing techniques, so maybe
they're enjoying their 15 mins of fame.
Chip C
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Posted by deans@wdeans.com on June 17, 2005, 1:10 pm
Greetings,
I potentially like them for the following reasons:
1.the inside of the fitting does not need to be cleaned saving time
2.they cost less than the cost of a fitting plus solder
3.the joint is equally as good
4.both sides can be soldered at once
5.they are easier to use in hard to reach places
I potentially don't like them for the following reasons:
1.the inside of the fitting should be cleaned no matter what they say
2.they cost more than the cost of a fitting plus solder when you don't
pay HD/Lowes prices for fittings / solder
3.the joint isn't actually equally as good in practice
I definitely don't like them for the following reasons:
1.the shelf space they occupy displaces parts which I do use and need
2.they interfere slightly with glued pipe insulation
3.both sides can be accidentally soldered at once
4.they are proprietary (I believe) and the price may be increased at
any time???
5.they call attention to repairs performed (people don't like seeing
patches)
6.they don't have the same variety of parts offered (no reducing T's in
sight, etc)
7.I have mad soldering skills under the existing system and I wouldn't
want anyone changing my qwerty keyboard layout either
I definitely like them for the following reasons:
1.Homeowners will see that the solder is already in there and declare
that now they can do their own plumbing. They will rush home with
their sample pack and solder fever determined to go solder something
right away!
Hope this helps,
William
PS: Home Depot was giving away trial packages of them for free near
where I live.
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Posted by dean on June 17, 2005, 1:32 pm
So, um, what is your final opinion then?
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Posted by deans@wdeans.com on June 17, 2005, 2:12 pm
My final opinion on their existence:
I wish they didn't exist because of the "other product displacement
issue."
My final opinion on using them (since they do exist):
I won't pay extra for them (I get standard copper fittings / solder
cheaper than HD prices elsewhere). I don't use them-- even for tight
spaces. I don't plan on switching anytime soon.
To be clear:
I don't hate or despise them. If everyone else switched I wouldn't
"hold out." I just don't see much actual time savings for someone
experienced with soldering and therefore I won't pay extra for them.
Hope this helps,
William
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Posted by dean on June 17, 2005, 2:48 pm
I've seen some (in the UK) where the solder visible creaps to the edge
of the fitting, so that you can see the seal. Now that was a nice
system, much better then the crappy US fittings.
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