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Posted by MiamiCuse on April 26, 2008, 9:11 pm
> On Apr 23, 4:17 pm, nmbexc...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> I guess I have two questions. First let me explain this situation.
>>
>> I have an existing EMT conduit that runs from my panel in the garage
>> to a junction box in the attic 80 feet away. From the junction box
>> another pipe to go to the outside to serve the pool pump.
>>
>> When my electricians were looking at the wires, they determined that
>> the color of the wires are wrong on that run, they have used a blue
>> #12 wire when it should be white #12 to the junction box, and then
>> they used a black #12 to continue on that wire to the pump (actually
>> the timer of the pump). Due to this mis-color, it got them confused
>> and they recommended that I rerun new wires while we are working on
>> the wiring. I agreed. This resulted in me having to buy an extra
>> roll of 500' #12 wire ($60) and a change order to the contract with
>> added money ($250).
>>
>> They told me this was "all taken care of".
>>
>> Now a few days later, I asked them if they ran the wire, they told me
>> no. Why, because the conduit was too tight, it has #8 wires in it to
>> serve an AC unit, and they tried to pull the old wire but not able to,
>> thinking the old wire may be twisted or tangled with the #8 around
>> some elbows. I understand that....but...
>>
>> (1) In this case, should I be subjected to the added charge? Since
>> they didn't do what they said they would do? or yes since they spent
>> time trying? At the end they used colored electrical tapes to wrap
>> around the ends of the wires to indicate the mis-coloration.
>>
>> (2) Should I attempt to change it? Should I ask them to pull the #8
>> and the #12 all out, untangle everything, and then run the new wires
>> through together? or is this a high risk that we may not be able to
>> feed everything through? Pipe is 1/2", there are I think two #8 and
>> two #12 with the intent to replace both #12.
>
> 1/2" conduit is a bit tight, particularly on longish runs the 8s
> already in place. This site has a useful conduit fill calculator:
> http://jlgengsoft.com/Documents/fill.htm Exactly how hard did they
> try to pull out the offending wire? It's possible they damaged the
> insulation. Is the work being inspected or are you relying on what
> these guys tell you?
>
> You don't have to pay for work that isn't done, but then again, I
> don't know how that change order was worded. These were the guys that
> kept requesting new boxes of connectors when they hadn't finished a
> single box and kept scarfing your beverages. Rack up another one.
> Your next step is to find out if these guys are really licensed.
> Using a buddy's license doesn't cut it.
>
> R
Well I started watching them closely, they were not taking my stuff, just
exceedingly absent minded.
Last week, one of them left about a half reel of 12/2 MC cables in the
attic, it was a reel of 250' long cable about half used.
But then again, I found tons of crap in my attic, I found about 65 brand new
(but 35 years old) AC filters up there today.
MC
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