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Pulling wire in the walls Eigenvector 02-13-2007
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Posted by Don Young on February 14, 2007, 9:49 pm



>
>>>One question, when re-wiring an outlet, for instance to replace the old
>>>useless Romex with clipped grounds, with fresh new 12/2 - how do you tell
>>>where the wire goes? I mean how do you tell without hacking chunks out
>>>of
>>>the wall?
>>
>> Why do you *care* where the old cable goes?
>>
>> Run the new cable however you can, or however you must, to get it to
>> where you
>> need to get it. Disconnect the old cable at both ends and abandon it in
>> place.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
>
> There are a few reasons why someone might care. One it's sloppy
> construction, but that's not a big deal to me. Two, I would like to
> recycle the old wire. Three, it would be nice to be able to use the old
> wire to pull the cable run for the new wire - which is why I care where it
> goes.
>
Fishing a new cable into an existing box is routine for old work
electricians. There are a lot of ways to do it. If you have attic access you
can try pulling the old cable out but it is pretty unlikely to work. A small
sash chain dropped down and a long wire with a hook will work most times.
You can get a little access around the box where the repair will be covered
by the plate. The best thing is a friend who has experience as an old work
electrician.

Don Young



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Posted by Eigenvector on February 16, 2007, 8:13 pm



>
>>
>>>>One question, when re-wiring an outlet, for instance to replace the old
>>>>useless Romex with clipped grounds, with fresh new 12/2 - how do you
>>>>tell
>>>>where the wire goes? I mean how do you tell without hacking chunks out
>>>>of
>>>>the wall?
>>>
>>> Why do you *care* where the old cable goes?
>>>
>>> Run the new cable however you can, or however you must, to get it to
>>> where you
>>> need to get it. Disconnect the old cable at both ends and abandon it in
>>> place.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>>
>>
>> There are a few reasons why someone might care. One it's sloppy
>> construction, but that's not a big deal to me. Two, I would like to
>> recycle the old wire. Three, it would be nice to be able to use the old
>> wire to pull the cable run for the new wire - which is why I care where
>> it goes.
>>
> Fishing a new cable into an existing box is routine for old work
> electricians. There are a lot of ways to do it. If you have attic access
> you can try pulling the old cable out but it is pretty unlikely to work. A
> small sash chain dropped down and a long wire with a hook will work most
> times. You can get a little access around the box where the repair will be
> covered by the plate. The best thing is a friend who has experience as an
> old work electrician.
>
> Don Young

I got one of those (friend who's done lots of old work electrical). I
watched him pull his old aluminum Romex at his place and replace it with
copper - so it can't be useless or impossible to pull the old stuff like
Miller is claiming. It wasn't easy though and he did need to punch a few
holes in the wall. I guess I'll wait then, he doesn't fly back into the
country until May'ish.



Posted by Bob F on February 16, 2007, 9:23 pm



>
> >
> >>
"Eigenvector"
> >>>>One question, when re-wiring an outlet, for instance to replace the
old
> >>>>useless Romex with clipped grounds, with fresh new 12/2 - how do you
> >>>>tell
> >>>>where the wire goes? I mean how do you tell without hacking chunks
out
> >>>>of
> >>>>the wall?
> >>>
> >>> Why do you *care* where the old cable goes?
> >>>
> >>> Run the new cable however you can, or however you must, to get it to
> >>> where you
> >>> need to get it. Disconnect the old cable at both ends and abandon it
in
> >>> place.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
> >>
> >>
> >> There are a few reasons why someone might care. One it's sloppy
> >> construction, but that's not a big deal to me. Two, I would like to
> >> recycle the old wire. Three, it would be nice to be able to use the
old
> >> wire to pull the cable run for the new wire - which is why I care where
> >> it goes.
> >>
> > Fishing a new cable into an existing box is routine for old work
> > electricians. There are a lot of ways to do it. If you have attic access
> > you can try pulling the old cable out but it is pretty unlikely to work.
A
> > small sash chain dropped down and a long wire with a hook will work most
> > times. You can get a little access around the box where the repair will
be
> > covered by the plate. The best thing is a friend who has experience as
an
> > old work electrician.
> >
> > Don Young
>
> I got one of those (friend who's done lots of old work electrical). I
> watched him pull his old aluminum Romex at his place and replace it with
> copper - so it can't be useless or impossible to pull the old stuff like
> Miller is claiming. It wasn't easy though and he did need to punch a few
> holes in the wall. I guess I'll wait then, he doesn't fly back into the
> country until May'ish.

If you want to patch holes in the wall, great. I would choose to
abandon the old wire if it is stapled in place.

Bob



Posted by hallerb@aol.com on February 16, 2007, 9:44 pm


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> "Eigenvector"
> > >>>>One question, when re-wiring an outlet, for instance to replace the
> old
> > >>>>useless Romex with clipped grounds, with fresh new 12/2 - how do you
> > >>>>tell
> > >>>>where the wire goes? =A0I mean how do you tell without hacking chun=
ks
> out
> > >>>>of
> > >>>>the wall?
>
> > >>> Why do you *care* where the old cable goes?
>
> > >>> Run the new cable however you can, or however you must, to get it to
> > >>> where you
> > >>> need to get it. Disconnect the old cable at both ends and abandon it
> in
> > >>> place.
>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
> > >> There are a few reasons why someone might care. =A0One it's sloppy
> > >> construction, but that's not a big deal to me. =A0Two, I would like =
to
> > >> recycle the old wire. =A0Three, it would be nice to be able to use t=
he
> old
> > >> wire to pull the cable run for the new wire - which is why I care wh=
ere
> > >> it goes.
>
> > > Fishing a new cable into an existing box is routine for old work
> > > electricians. There are a lot of ways to do it. If you have attic acc=
ess
> > > you can try pulling the old cable out but it is pretty unlikely to wo=
rk.
> A
> > > small sash chain dropped down and a long wire with a hook will work m=
ost
> > > times. You can get a little access around the box where the repair wi=
ll
> be
> > > covered by the plate. The best thing is a friend who has experience as
> an
> > > old work electrician.
>
> > > Don Young
>
> > I got one of those (friend who's done lots of old work electrical). =A0I
> > watched him pull his old aluminum Romex at his place and replace it with
> > copper - so it can't be useless or impossible to pull the old stuff like
> > Miller is claiming. =A0It wasn't easy though and he did need to punch a=
few
> > holes in the wall. =A0I guess I'll wait then, he doesn't fly back into =
the
> > country until May'ish.
>
> If you want to patch holes in the wall, great. I would choose to
> abandon the old wire if it is stapled in place.
>
> Bob- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah the old wire is basically valueless, after you go to all the
removal work and strip all the insulation and patch the excess holes
you will HAVE to make.

Far easier to bag groceries, and pay will be better


Posted by Eigenvector on February 17, 2007, 4:01 pm



>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Eigenvector"
> > >>>>One question, when re-wiring an outlet, for instance to replace the
> old
> > >>>>useless Romex with clipped grounds, with fresh new 12/2 - how do you
> > >>>>tell
> > >>>>where the wire goes? I mean how do you tell without hacking chunks
> out
> > >>>>of
> > >>>>the wall?
>
> > >>> Why do you *care* where the old cable goes?
>
> > >>> Run the new cable however you can, or however you must, to get it to
> > >>> where you
> > >>> need to get it. Disconnect the old cable at both ends and abandon it
> in
> > >>> place.
>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
> > >> There are a few reasons why someone might care. One it's sloppy
> > >> construction, but that's not a big deal to me. Two, I would like to
> > >> recycle the old wire. Three, it would be nice to be able to use the
> old
> > >> wire to pull the cable run for the new wire - which is why I care
> > >> where
> > >> it goes.
>
> > > Fishing a new cable into an existing box is routine for old work
> > > electricians. There are a lot of ways to do it. If you have attic
> > > access
> > > you can try pulling the old cable out but it is pretty unlikely to
> > > work.
> A
> > > small sash chain dropped down and a long wire with a hook will work
> > > most
> > > times. You can get a little access around the box where the repair
> > > will
> be
> > > covered by the plate. The best thing is a friend who has experience as
> an
> > > old work electrician.
>
> > > Don Young
>
> > I got one of those (friend who's done lots of old work electrical). I
> > watched him pull his old aluminum Romex at his place and replace it with
> > copper - so it can't be useless or impossible to pull the old stuff like
> > Miller is claiming. It wasn't easy though and he did need to punch a few
> > holes in the wall. I guess I'll wait then, he doesn't fly back into the
> > country until May'ish.
>
> If you want to patch holes in the wall, great. I would choose to
> abandon the old wire if it is stapled in place.
>
> Bob- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>Yeah the old wire is basically valueless, after you go to all the
>removal work and strip all the insulation and patch the excess holes
>you will HAVE to make.

>Far easier to bag groceries, and pay will be better



You know that's NOT what you said when I asked a similar question back a
ways. Google "Saving Romex" and I see you name with a response, very
helpful response too, and I see your response here and it's (in my mind)
totally at odds with what you said some 6 months ago. What gives?



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