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Question on getting all that hot air out of our garage and attic this summer Don 05-16-2006
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Posted by Don on May 16, 2006, 9:23 pm
We live in Denver. Our home is about 3,500 Sq Ft with a 3 car garage.
We have central air conditioner. It cools the downstairs great. But
the upstairs can get quite hot. The garage is on the west side of the
home and gets hotter than 40 hells in there during the summer. There
is a south facing gable in the garage. Two bedrooms are above that
hotter than hell garage.
Question 1: Would a power fan mounted in front of that gable suck out
the hot air in the garage even though there isn't another gable to
bring in the cooler air?

Above the three bedrooms upstairs is an attic that gets hotter than 47
hells. There is a gable on the east side of the house and one on the
west side. I'm thinking something with a bit of power up there could
suck that hot air out and help cool the upstairs vs what it is doing
now and radiating down into the living space. Here's the twist. We
also have a whole house fan mounted upstairs of course. But that
sucker could substitute for an engine for a small airplane. Works
great but forces us to open windows which defeats the purpose of the
central air conditioner. If we don't open windows our home starts
smelling like soot from the fireplace. I know this is getting long so
thanks for making it this far.
Question 2: Based on the facts above what is the best way to remove
all that hot air out of our attic?

Lastly, my daughter's bedroom is on the west side of the home. Anyone
who knows Colorado knows the west side of the home cooks in the
afternoon. To make matters in her room worse .... her vent barely puts
out any air. It's been like that from day one. So her room gets hot.
Question 3: Based on what you know about my daughters room would it
help to have someone install an in duct fan to push more air through
her vent? Those $39 register fans I see at Home Depot just look
worthless but I've never bought one so I really don't know.

Last part I promise. Our home was build in 1984 and the attic has a
bunch of blown in insulation. Should that be removed and then replaced
with newer and better insulation?

To those who made it this far thanks. I appreciate your patience. To
those who give suggestions even more thanks. I've always found this
newsgroup to be very helpful when it comes to stuff like this.

Don

Posted by Bob on May 16, 2006, 9:48 pm

> We live in Denver. Our home is about 3,500 Sq Ft with a 3 car garage.
> We have central air conditioner. It cools the downstairs great. But
> the upstairs can get quite hot. The garage is on the west side of the
> home and gets hotter than 40 hells in there during the summer. There
> is a south facing gable in the garage. Two bedrooms are above that
> hotter than hell garage.
> Question 1: Would a power fan mounted in front of that gable suck out
> the hot air in the garage even though there isn't another gable to
> bring in the cooler air?
>
> Above the three bedrooms upstairs is an attic that gets hotter than 47
> hells. There is a gable on the east side of the house and one on the
> west side. I'm thinking something with a bit of power up there could
> suck that hot air out and help cool the upstairs vs what it is doing
> now and radiating down into the living space. Here's the twist. We
> also have a whole house fan mounted upstairs of course. But that
> sucker could substitute for an engine for a small airplane. Works
> great but forces us to open windows which defeats the purpose of the
> central air conditioner. If we don't open windows our home starts
> smelling like soot from the fireplace. I know this is getting long so
> thanks for making it this far.
> Question 2: Based on the facts above what is the best way to remove
> all that hot air out of our attic?
>
> Lastly, my daughter's bedroom is on the west side of the home. Anyone
> who knows Colorado knows the west side of the home cooks in the
> afternoon. To make matters in her room worse .... her vent barely puts
> out any air. It's been like that from day one. So her room gets hot.
> Question 3: Based on what you know about my daughters room would it
> help to have someone install an in duct fan to push more air through
> her vent? Those $39 register fans I see at Home Depot just look
> worthless but I've never bought one so I really don't know.
>
> Last part I promise. Our home was build in 1984 and the attic has a
> bunch of blown in insulation. Should that be removed and then replaced
> with newer and better insulation?
>
> To those who made it this far thanks. I appreciate your patience. To
> those who give suggestions even more thanks. I've always found this
> newsgroup to be very helpful when it comes to stuff like this.

Insulate the @#%^@ out of the attic floor. Just add more insulation with no
additional vapor barrier. Then ventilate it. Lots of vent area very low in the
attic,
and lots of vent area very high in the attic. Powered vents might help, but
passive
venting is better if you can make it work. The gable vent may "short-circuit"
the
low/high convection air flow, so you may need to block them. Remember - hot air
rises,
you want to take advantage of this. Try to arrange the vents so the air flows
through
the whole attic - there should not be "dead" spots.
Plant a to-be-large deciduous tree west of the house.

Be aware that this advise comes from Seattle. YMMV.

Bob


Posted by Don on May 16, 2006, 11:38 pm
>
>Insulate the @#%^@ out of the attic floor. Just add more insulation with no
>additional vapor barrier. Then ventilate it. Lots of vent area very low in the
attic,
>and lots of vent area very high in the attic. Powered vents might help, but
passive
>venting is better if you can make it work. The gable vent may "short-circuit"
the
>low/high convection air flow, so you may need to block them. Remember - hot air
rises,
>you want to take advantage of this. Try to arrange the vents so the air flows
through
>the whole attic - there should not be "dead" spots.
>Plant a to-be-large deciduous tree west of the house.
>
>Be aware that this advise comes from Seattle. YMMV.
>
>Bob

We have a 22 year old Ash tree out front. It helps. But keep in mind
Denver has 300+ days of pure sunshine. That's why I live here. Summers
are much hotter than people think. No humidity but hot.

Ok now I expose my ignorance. What the hell is a vapor barrier?

Don

Posted by Richard Thoms on May 17, 2006, 1:31 am
Don wrote:
> Ok now I expose my ignorance. What the hell is a vapor barrier?

Can be as simple as a sheet of plastic, but usually it is coated paper
on the insulation. The vapor barrier is usually put on the "living
space" side of the insulaton.

Hope that helps.

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Posted by buffalobill on May 17, 2006, 6:20 am
thoughts:
hot air rises, air is lazy, hvac additional zone your second floor,
hvac additional zone your problem areas, integrate ventilation air by
powered dampers into the hvac system, use indoor and outdoor sensors to
monitor your sanity and both temperature and humidity, remember that
you desire fan ventilation only when the outside air is more
comfortable than the inside air, don't waste money on noisy fans,
nobody is going to put the fans in and out of the windows except you.
also, isn't the whole house fan already blowing the unwanted summer
heat from the upstairs hall into the attic where it exits the house
attic thru vents?
knowledge: read all about ventilation and comfort levels at:
http://www.buildingscience.com/resources/mechanical/default.htm


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