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Railway ties oozing creosote Mamba 05-19-2008
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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on May 19, 2008, 6:26 pm

> You do know that creosote is now listed as toxic and is a restricted
> use product, right?
>
> Red

its unlikely to be creosote, in newer ties

older ties are less likely to bleed.

i heard creosote is no longer used in railroad ties


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Posted by Mamba on May 19, 2008, 6:45 pm

You do know that creosote is now listed as toxic and is a restricted
use product, right?

Red

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Well, they were resold to me by the local farm supply store in rural WA. I
certainly wouldn't buy them again, for my current reasons and because of the
environmental issues. Some of my bunch are perhaps older, as they seem bone
dry on the outside. They were used in full length as borders for the steps.
Some are quite smooth on the outside, and these are the ones I selected to
use as risers - they are also the ones with the "surface" creosote. Sadly,
I now have this 50' walkway with uniform ties as borders and step risders,
and 4 or 5 of them will need a different treatment. It was looking pretty
good too.

As an aside on this, wonder if there's any restrictions on the sale of the
old ones they tear up. I drive past a BNSF fail yard every weekend, and
they have stacks of them (hundreds, maybe thousands) with a big "4 sale"
sign painted on the side. Sure hope nobody would try to use them for a
cheap dock or anything like that.




Posted by aussiblu on May 19, 2008, 7:49 pm
"rural WA" is that rural Washington or rural Western Australia
or somewhere else? Remember this is the Internet and it has no
borders. I'm from Western Australia myself and also have local
creosote soaked railway sleepers as a retaining wall but no
bleeding problems.

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Posted by Red on May 19, 2008, 10:23 pm
>
> You do know that creosote is now listed as toxic and is a restricted
> use product, right?
>
> Red
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> Well, they were resold to me by the local farm supply store in rural WA. =
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> certainly wouldn't buy them again, for my current reasons and because of t=
he
> environmental issues. =A0

>
> As an aside on this, wonder if there's any restrictions on the sale of the=

> old ones they tear up. =A0I drive past a BNSF fail yard every weekend, and=

> they have stacks of them (hundreds, maybe thousands) with a big "4 sale"
> sign painted on the side. =A0Sure hope nobody would try to use them for a
> cheap dock or anything like that.

The seller does not know what you will be using them for and probably
doesn't want to know. There are a lot of uses where people do not
come in contact with the creosote and are probably safe for that
usage. Rural barbwire fence corner posts come to mind. When you
mentioned it being tracked onto your deck that raised a flag in my
mind as possibly getting into the house also - something I would worry
about.

Red

Posted by Harry K on May 20, 2008, 12:14 am
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> > You do know that creosote is now listed as toxic and is a restricted
> > use product, right?
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> > Red
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> > ---------------
> > Well, they were resold to me by the local farm supply store in rural WA.=
=A0I
> > certainly wouldn't buy them again, for my current reasons and because of=
the
> > environmental issues. =A0
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> > As an aside on this, wonder if there's any restrictions on the sale of t=
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> > old ones they tear up. =A0I drive past a BNSF fail yard every weekend, a=
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> > they have stacks of them (hundreds, maybe thousands) with a big "4 sale"=

> > sign painted on the side. =A0Sure hope nobody would try to use them for =
a
> > cheap dock or anything like that.
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> The seller does not know what you will be using them for and probably
> doesn't want to know. =A0There are a lot of uses where people do not
> come in contact with the creosote and are probably safe for that
> usage. =A0Rural barbwire fence corner posts come to mind. =A0When you
> mentioned it being tracked onto your deck that raised a flag in my
> mind as possibly getting into the house also - something I would worry
> about.
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The "Oh my God, Creosote!!, panic, run" is/was nothing but a political
movement. Yes, you could have health problems if you chewed up and
ate enough of the treated wood but short of that, no. Same with the
dreaded "leaching".

The ban is on using it to treat wood members, there is no restriction
on selling and using already treated salvaged members. Any RR ties
for sale will almost always be the creosoted ones and likely will be
for a long while to come.
Age of RR ties is no gaurantee that they will, or won't, bleed. I
have retaining walls (5 ft high) and border edgings from RR ties that
are 20 years old that have a few that still bleed. The ties were
probably a lot older than that when I bought them.

The OP's problem is with tracking it. All that I can think of is to
either cover it up somehow or replace the ones that bleed. In my
case, it is the odor on a hot day that is a minor problem.

Harry K

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