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Railway ties oozing creosote Mamba 05-19-2008
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Posted by aussiblu on May 23, 2008, 9:35 am
And our Ag Department again "
"The oil-borne preservative high temperature creosote, (HTC) is
recommended for treating posts on the farm. A 205 L drum of HTC
(ex Perth) costs about $240 if a pallet of four drums is bought.
Costs can be reduced by including mineral oil or distillate, for
example a 60:40 mixture of creosote and furnace oil. Some
commercial creosote treaters are: Norman Bario, Mt Barker;
Dryandra Timber Products, Cuballing; and C.C. and J. Russell,
Narrogin. "



http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/content/LWE/VEGT/TREES/TREENOTE8.HTM


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Posted by aussiblu on May 23, 2008, 10:02 am
I'll see if I can buy some this weekend in a local hardware
store.

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Posted by Red on May 23, 2008, 10:03 am
> but it also notes:
>
> "Since the introduction of bans on the use of creosote and
> pentachlorophenol, chromated copper arsenate (CCA) has emerged
> as the most popular form of wood treatment. "
>
>
> ' person shall not conduct an activity listed in Schedule 1 as a
> Class B activity unless the person-
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (a) =A0 =A0 is a party to an environmental protection
> agreement that is in effect in respect of that activity; or
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (b) =A0 =A0 holds an environmental authorisation in respec=
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> of that activity. "
>

That is the same as in the USA. It is not banned, but it is listed as
a "restricted use" chemical, meaning that it is not available to the
general public but is available to licensed persons who are trained in
handling hazardous chemicals.

Red

Posted by Dick Adams on May 20, 2008, 11:59 pm
>The EPA Restricted Use Pesticides listing lists creosote as having
>oncogenic effects (capable of producing tumors) and mutagenic effects
>(capable of mutating DNA & causing cancer). A political movement? Do
>I take your word it's safe or the EPA's word that it isn't safe?

And you would trust the EPA with their history of fraudulent
research?

Posted by on May 22, 2008, 11:20 am
Red wrote:
> The EPA Restricted Use Pesticides listing lists creosote as having
> oncogenic effects (capable of producing tumors) and mutagenic effects
> (capable of mutating DNA & causing cancer). A political movement? Do
> I take your word it's safe or the EPA's word that it isn't safe?

Nobody said creosote was safe. If you eat it you'll get sick. If you
roll around in it day in and day out for years and years without
protective clothing, you'll probably get cancer, or at least some
pretty nasty skin problems.

Everything isn't black and white. There are shades of gray, and this
one is a pretty light shade of gray.

The amount of creosote leaching from railroad ties used as landscape
timbers in your yard is tiny. The amount of contact you have with
these railroad ties is tiny. Unless you have an obsessive compulsive
need to roll around naked on bleeding railroad ties, or chew on them
like a beaver, you will not experience any adverse effects from the
simple presence of creosote.

You get more direct exposure to creosote from bonfires, your
fireplace, or your wood stove, but none of those are subject to the
same PANIC ALERT that these creosote-coated railroad ties are
receiving.

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