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RamSet For Concrete Nails Quest's ? Robert11 02-07-2005
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Posted by Robert11 on February 7, 2005, 7:58 pm


Was in home Depot and saw a small "kit" from RamSet that sold
for only $20. Has a bunch of "nails" for concrete included in various sizes,
the cartridges, and the handle where you place the cartridges and nail.

Wish to fasten some 2X4's against a concrete wall to enable the
building of shelves there.

Is this Ram Set approach "better," than, e.g., drilling a hole
with a concrete drill and using one of the expandable fasteners
in the hole to hold a screw (not sure if they also have for nails with this
approach - do they ?)

Which is better ?
Why ?
Pros and Cons?

Thanks,
B




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Posted by Matt on February 7, 2005, 5:02 pm


Hmmm. It depends alot on what you are trying to fasten.

In court - if you tell the judge you were trying to hang some shelves,
when your drill slipped and bored 5 holes through your wifes skull -
well, it's just not very believable.

Now, on the other hand, if your ramset slips, its entirely possible
that an errant nail or two may be sent flying.



Posted by Bob S. on February 7, 2005, 9:00 pm



Robert11 wrote:
> Was in home Depot and saw a small "kit" from RamSet that sold
> for only $20. Has a bunch of "nails" for concrete included in various
sizes,
> the cartridges, and the handle where you place the cartridges and
nail.
>
> Wish to fasten some 2X4's against a concrete wall to enable the
> building of shelves there.
>
> Is this Ram Set approach "better," than, e.g., drilling a hole
> with a concrete drill and using one of the expandable fasteners
> in the hole to hold a screw (not sure if they also have for nails
with this
> approach - do they ?)
>
> Which is better ?
> Why ?
> Pros and Cons?
>
> Thanks,
> B

So many questions!
Have you used a ramset before?
Does the kit have different charges for different hardnesses of
concrete?
How old is the concrete? (Age determines hardness)
How thick is your wall?
What's on the other side of the wall?



Posted by bill a on February 8, 2005, 7:00 am


powder fasteners are very fast to use, after finding out which load strength
works best.
holding strength is pretty good, but I think many people use adhesives on
the boards as well.
one drawback is that concrete is not a very homogenous material, and some of
the fasteners
are may not penetrate as far as desired. you then can't do much with the
protruding nail heads.
if you're going into brick, etc, i think i would use drilled anchors.
bill


> Was in home Depot and saw a small "kit" from RamSet that sold
> for only $20. Has a bunch of "nails" for concrete included in various
> sizes,
> the cartridges, and the handle where you place the cartridges and nail.
>
> Wish to fasten some 2X4's against a concrete wall to enable the
> building of shelves there.
>
> Is this Ram Set approach "better," than, e.g., drilling a hole
> with a concrete drill and using one of the expandable fasteners
> in the hole to hold a screw (not sure if they also have for nails with
> this approach - do they ?)
>
> Which is better ?
> Why ?
> Pros and Cons?
>
> Thanks,
> B
>



Posted by rnr_construction on February 10, 2005, 12:53 am



> powder fasteners are very fast to use, after finding out which load
> strength works best.
> holding strength is pretty good, but I think many people use adhesives on
> the boards as well.
> one drawback is that concrete is not a very homogenous material, and some
> of the fasteners
> are may not penetrate as far as desired. you then can't do much with the
> protruding nail heads.
> if you're going into brick, etc, i think i would use drilled anchors.
> bill
>
>
>> Was in home Depot and saw a small "kit" from RamSet that sold
>> for only $20. Has a bunch of "nails" for concrete included in various
>> sizes,
>> the cartridges, and the handle where you place the cartridges and nail.
>>
>> Wish to fasten some 2X4's against a concrete wall to enable the
>> building of shelves there.
>>
>> Is this Ram Set approach "better," than, e.g., drilling a hole
>> with a concrete drill and using one of the expandable fasteners
>> in the hole to hold a screw (not sure if they also have for nails with
>> this approach - do they ?)
>>
>> Which is better ?
>> Why ?
>> Pros and Cons?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> B
>>
If you use it once for 20$ it pays for itsself right away.

if using it in old concrete it may spall the concrete. and the nail may not
hold.
I use a roto hammer and a rawl pin or a tapcon screw now.




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