Re: Are Circuit Breakers Over-rated?

Posted by HeyBub on November 4, 2009, 3:43 pm

trader4@optonline.net wrote:

> How about the guy follows your advice, does the work, and then someone
> is electrocuted or his house burns down. The insurance company does
> an investigation and determines the panel was the cause, no permit was
> pulled, no inspection was done. MAYBE they will just pay anyway, but
> I don't think I would want to be in that position. Or when he goes
> to sell the home, the home inspection by the buyer turns up that there
> are obvious wiring errors in the panel. Then he gets to pay to have
> someone do it over the right way.
> Botton line, suggesting it's just $300, a screwdriver and no
> experience is necessary to replace a fuse box with a breaker panel is
> some of the worst advice I've seen here.

I guess then I should have sought your counsel before I did it. As it turned
out, I must have been beyond extremely fortunate I didn't kill myself, four
of my neighbors, a passing flock of sea gulls and started a fire that not
only destroyed the house but started a conflagration that consumed eight
more homes, twelve vehicles, and an abandoned burrito.

Maybe you have more experience than I in determining the level of common
sense of your fellow man. I hold that most people can figure out the simple
stuff involved in swapping out an electrical service box while other
nay-sayers here seem to be convinced that the OP stands a non-neglibible
chance of being dumber than a crate of anvils.

If so, your criticism might better be leveled at my Pollyanna attitude
toward the OP and the complexity of the project. You may very well be
correct that we have to modulate our advice to the stump-stupid level lest
some defective puts his finger in the saw.

Or, it could be you've been influenced by too many eight-page warning
brochures that come with step-stools ("do not use over much when wind is
coming" etc.).

It's a difficult call.

Posted by RicodJour on November 4, 2009, 4:02 pm

> It's a difficult call.

Not really. Let's review the events and weigh the facts:
You like to act like a bumpkin and give stupid advice to people on
Usenet.
You give bad advice when you have no clue where the person is located
or what their abilities are, and somehow these things are unimportant
to you.
You spout bullshit about conditions where _you_ live that is wrong.
You then call anything not in your area, or people that don't ignore
the things you do, benighted.
You make bad assumptions on pretty much everything.

So the call is...you give bad advice and don't know what you are
talking about.
Not really difficult at all to see when you look at it objectively.

At first I didn't believe you when you said you went to law school. I
have changed my opinion. You did not say you are a lawyer, you said
you went to law school, so that means either you couldn't hack it in
law school (my guess), or didn't finish for some other reason (you
couldn't hack it), or finished school and couldn't pass the bar
(pretty fair second guess), or you were a lawyer and got disbarred.

Most people have a low enough opinion of lawyers as it is, so you
would be doing the legal profession a favor by not mentioning your
failed attempt at law.

You would be doing everybody a favor if you thought before you started
tapping the keyboard. It's a lot to ask, I know, but why not give it
a shot - you might surprise everyone.

R

Posted by HeyBub on November 4, 2009, 8:16 pm

RicodJour wrote:

>> It's a difficult call.

> Not really. Let's review the events and weigh the facts:
> You like to act like a bumpkin and give stupid advice to people on
> Usenet.
> You give bad advice when you have no clue where the person is located
> or what their abilities are, and somehow these things are unimportant
> to you.
> You spout bullshit about conditions where _you_ live that is wrong.
> You then call anything not in your area, or people that don't ignore
> the things you do, benighted.
> You make bad assumptions on pretty much everything.
> So the call is...you give bad advice and don't know what you are
> talking about.
> Not really difficult at all to see when you look at it objectively.
> At first I didn't believe you when you said you went to law school. I
> have changed my opinion. You did not say you are a lawyer, you said
> you went to law school, so that means either you couldn't hack it in
> law school (my guess), or didn't finish for some other reason (you
> couldn't hack it), or finished school and couldn't pass the bar
> (pretty fair second guess), or you were a lawyer and got disbarred.

Actually I went for a year and a half (about half way). At the end of my
first year I was ranked 18th out of 193 freshmen. I came to the view that,
while your lawyer is a nice guy and mine is a prince, the rest are thieves.
So your surmise, based on incomplete information and preconceived notions is
at least as faulty as your evaluation of my contributions.

> Most people have a low enough opinion of lawyers as it is, so you
> would be doing the legal profession a favor by not mentioning your
> failed attempt at law.

It wasn't failed; I made the Dean's List.

> You would be doing everybody a favor if you thought before you started
> tapping the keyboard. It's a lot to ask, I know, but why not give it
> a shot - you might surprise everyone.

I've given your suggestion all the consideration it deserves and have
concluded that it would be shameful indeed to deprive those, such as
yourself, the opportunity to rise up in righteous indignation. Fulminations
don't bother me; in fact I think advanced adrenaline levels are good for
some people.

So, until someone asks what to do about a red, oozing and fungating mass on
their inner thigh (or similar), just bide your time. I'll be back with more
outlandish suggestions. But all is not lost.

In deference to your refined sensibilities, I'll try to preface my remarks
with the following prelude:

"If you have (advanced, moderate, basic) skills and observe all the legal
niceties in your jurisdiction, then the following may be considered..."

Will that satisfy you?

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