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Re: Are we the only ones getting screwed ????? Steve 03-29-2008
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Posted by on March 29, 2008, 12:29 pm
> > > feds should loosen smog regulations on gasoline and additives, to help=

> > > bring price down a little
>
> > Loosening any gasoline formulation regulations is only going to bring
> > the price down a little. =EF=BF=BD Given that gas prices have about trip=
led,
> > it doesn't seem to me that any small change in the price is going to
> > be worth dirty air.
>
> a little here, a little there. it all adds up in the end. diesel has
> soared in cost because of the low sulphur regulations
>
> > > temporarily suspend the federal gasoline tax
>
> > Yeah, they could do that. =EF=BF=BDI think it's about 16 cents. =EF=BF=
=BD But without
> > a corresponding decrease in spending, it would add to the deficit,
>
> Unemployment benefits welfare and all the rest to help a recession
> costs too. better to start the help at the top.
>
> > > feds should allow cheap dirty econo car sales in the US for a limited
> > > number of years. low power they wouldnt be allowed on some roads,
> > > lower safety. but say 50 MPG minimum. such cars are sold in other
> > > countries thru out the world
>
> > Where are these cheap dirty cars being driven? =EF=BF=BD Certainly not i=
n
> > Europe, Japan, Canada, etc. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDMaybe in China, where the=
y don't give a
> > damn about the environment. =EF=BF=BD I don't understand why they need t=
o be
> > dirty. =EF=BF=BD We have reasonable cost cars here getting very good mil=
eage
> > that also meet all US regulations. =EF=BF=BD The problem is, people have=
n't
> > been buying them. =EF=BF=BDThey've been buying bigger cars and more
> > importantly SUV's, so clearly price isn't the problem.
>
> add a fuel hog tax to any new vehicle getting under 20 MPG. sure car
> companies will miss the SUV sales but its important.
>
> > > now before you get your panties in a wad, people use motorcycles for
> > > transportation too, and by all means any car should be safer than a
> > > harley...
>
> > > all of these would help our short term problem. the cost of in action
> > > is a major recession..........
>
> > How is allowing cheap dirty cars into the US a short term solution to
> > anything?
>
> they get excellent gas mileage around 50MPG the tata costs 2500 bucks,
> so lots of americans could afford a commuter or around home car.


And again, how is this a SHORT term solution to gasoline demand?
And the problem is most people are buying bigger, more expensive cars
and particularly SUV's, instead of cars like the cheaper Honda Civic,
which gets 30/40MPG then how does offering a $2500 Indian shit box
solve anything? If anything it would likely increase the fuel usage
problem, by putting MORE cars on the road. People would use them as
cheap second, third or fourth cars and we would go back 30 years in
air and safety standards in the process.




>
> > > and most importandly change funding of all national elections
> > > completely. limit 100 bucks per person, no corporate giving to
> > > candidates.
>
> > > so our representives arent bought and sold anymore
>
> > IMO, unconstitutional.
>
> theres lots of rules on fundraising, this would just be more
> restrictive........ and great for our country. and necessary, just
> look at congress in the last 10 years, they are pathetic
>
> we also need to look at what america can afford to do in the world?
> wht should we still have military in europe? japan etc?
>
> pre set hardened bases, with skelton crews, =C2=A0our troops back hme
> spending their money here, providing border security etc......
>
> currently our troops are just fiancial aid to other countries, like
> germany.
>
> definetely keep active bases in s korea etc........
>
> in this day and age we can create a system to get our troops to any
> part of the world in a day or two


Posted by on March 29, 2008, 6:14 pm
> feds should loosen smog regulations on gasoline and additives, to help
> bring price down a little
>
> temporarily suspend the federal gasoline tax
That gas tax isn't enough to make a difference. RAISE the tax, and
use it for alternative development, efficient mass transit, etc.



Posted by hallerb@aol.com on March 29, 2008, 6:57 pm
incidently my local home depot reports sales are dead, part timers
hours cut. the place was empty.......

normally they are hiring at this time:(


Posted by HeyBub on March 29, 2008, 10:04 pm
hallerb@aol.com wrote:
> On Mar 29, 5:14?pm, websu...@cox.net wrote:
>> should loosen smog regulations on gasoline and additives, to help
>>> bring price down a little
>>
>>> temporarily suspend the federal gasoline tax
>>
>> That gas tax isn't enough to make a difference. ?RAISE the tax, and
>> use it for alternative development, efficient mass transit, etc.
>
> unrestrained higher costs of gasoline means less spending on
> everything else.............

Exactly. Fuel use is virtually inelastic. Price goes up, people pay it or
starve, lose their jobs, or suffer other dire consequences. Gone are the
days when people "went for a drive." Virtually all travel is a necessity.

As for using increased tax revenues to fund, say, mass transit. It takes
five years to lay track. So 100% of the drivers in my town would be charged
extra amounts so that five years from now, 2% of the population will have
the opportunity to use rail transit? Really bad trade-off. Really bad.




Posted by Kurt Ullman on March 30, 2008, 12:17 am

>
> As for using increased tax revenues to fund, say, mass transit. It takes
> five years to lay track. So 100% of the drivers in my town would be charged
> extra amounts so that five years from now, 2% of the population will have
> the opportunity to use rail transit? Really bad trade-off. Really bad.

Five years to lay track, but 10 years to do the engineering studies, 5
to do the enviornmental impact statements, 5 years to get the right of
way figured out.
One of the first things I did in '76 when I was a freshly minted
newspaper reporter was attend the first public hearing for a bypass
around the city I worked in. The final section was opened up 3 years
ago. Took 'em '76 to 95 to put the first shovel in the ground and '95 to
'05 to get it done.

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