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Re: Are we the only ones getting screwed ????? Steve 03-29-2008
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Posted by on April 12, 2008, 11:01 am



>We took the "Chunnel" across the channel to/return Paris/London in '99 I
>believe was last time.
>
>It runs max of 100+ but on the time we were on had speed restrictions of
><30 for track conditions in an area (I forget just where). So, even
>there they still have maintenance issues...
>
>--


That is the big problem with trains. Air travel only requires
maintaining a couple miles of runway per airport and the plane itself.
Rail travel requires maintaining the train plus maybe a million miles
of track if you really want to go where the planes can go. Planes fly
over most weather, trains go right through the middle of it.
Trains work fopr relatively short trips between population centers on
well established rail routes, that is why they are so effective in
Europe. People just don't want to spend a day or two on a train here
in the US when they can hop on a plane, for less money and get there
in hours. If we were really willing to spend more money, they would
make the plane ride more pleasant. I generally fly first class and
they treat me fine.

Posted by on April 12, 2008, 1:57 pm
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:01:25 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>
>
>
>>We took the "Chunnel" across the channel to/return Paris/London in '99 I
>>believe was last time.
>>
>>It runs max of 100+ but on the time we were on had speed restrictions of
>><30 for track conditions in an area (I forget just where). So, even
>>there they still have maintenance issues...
>>
>>--
>
>
>That is the big problem with trains. Air travel only requires
>maintaining a couple miles of runway per airport and the plane itself.
>Rail travel requires maintaining the train plus maybe a million miles
>of track if you really want to go where the planes can go. Planes fly
>over most weather, trains go right through the middle of it.
>Trains work fopr relatively short trips between population centers on
>well established rail routes, that is why they are so effective in
>Europe. People just don't want to spend a day or two on a train here
>in the US when they can hop on a plane, for less money and get there
>in hours. If we were really willing to spend more money, they would
>make the plane ride more pleasant.


> I generally fly first class and they treat me fine.

Apres toi, le deluge!

Aspasia



Posted by on April 12, 2008, 7:44 pm
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:57:02 -0700, aspasia wrote:

>> I generally fly first class and they treat me fine.
>
>Apres toi, le deluge!
>
>Aspasia

A first class train ride will cost a lot more than a first class plane
ride.
The discount price on a train will be more than the discount price on
a plane and you will be in the cattle car for 3 days to get across the
country. I'm sure Americans who think the microwave is too slow will
be linng up for the train.

Posted by Smitty Two on April 12, 2008, 10:50 pm
gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:57:02 -0700, aspasia wrote:
>
> >> I generally fly first class and they treat me fine.
> >
> >Apres toi, le deluge!
> >
> >Aspasia
>
> A first class train ride will cost a lot more than a first class plane
> ride.
> The discount price on a train will be more than the discount price on
> a plane and you will be in the cattle car for 3 days to get across the
> country. I'm sure Americans who think the microwave is too slow will
> be linng up for the train.

The key AISI is using appropriate technology for the task at hand.
Taking a train across the country may not have many advantages. But for
some shorter trips, a train may be the fastest, easiest, and least
expensive way to get from A to B.

California is planning to build a high speed rail line from San Diego to
San Francisco. A trip from LA to SF will take less than 2 1/2 hrs. You
could scarcely get to LAX, find a place to park, check-in, go through
security, board a plane, and wait for it to take off in that amount of
time. The trains will also help to relieve congestion on the freeways
and airports.

Posted by on April 13, 2008, 2:02 am
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:50:02 -0700, Smitty Two

> gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:57:02 -0700, aspasia wrote:
>>
>> >> I generally fly first class and they treat me fine.
>> >
>> >Apres toi, le deluge!
>> >
>> >Aspasia
>>
>> A first class train ride will cost a lot more than a first class plane
>> ride.
>> The discount price on a train will be more than the discount price on
>> a plane and you will be in the cattle car for 3 days to get across the
>> country. I'm sure Americans who think the microwave is too slow will
>> be linng up for the train.
>
>The key AISI is using appropriate technology for the task at hand.
>Taking a train across the country may not have many advantages. But for
>some shorter trips, a train may be the fastest, easiest, and least
>expensive way to get from A to B.
>
>California is planning to build a high speed rail line from San Diego to
>San Francisco. A trip from LA to SF will take less than 2 1/2 hrs. You
>could scarcely get to LAX, find a place to park, check-in, go through
>security, board a plane, and wait for it to take off in that amount of
>time. The trains will also help to relieve congestion on the freeways
>and airports.


Why do you think going to the train station, finding a place to park,
checking in, going through security and getting on a train will be
faster?
As soon as somebody uncovers a plot to bomb a train we will be talking
our shoes off at the train station. I also bet that 2 1/2 hours is a
pipe dream that never really happens.Trains in the north east work
well, as long as you are not going very far and light rail is a very
successful way to renovate slums. At least close enough along the
route to get to easily but far enough away so you don't hear the
train.

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