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Posted by mike wilcox on December 6, 2005, 7:38 pm
Chris Lewis wrote:
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>>Chris Lewis wrote:
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>>>If you had kicked the Brits, Indians, and Canadians, we would be a state.
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>>>You lost that war, remember? Oh, I forgot, the Americans claim that they
>>>won that one.
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>>Let's see, we got England to stop boarding ships and impressing the
>>crew into their navy, plus England finally recognized the USA.
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> That happened two days _before_ the Americans declared war.
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> Read the history: http://gatewayno.com/history/War1812.html
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>>Plus,
>>England gave up some land that had formerly been considered part of
>>Canada. It wasn't Drummond's Island anymore.
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>>>Militarily, we had the edge at the end (we held parts of the US).
>>>Politically, it was a draw (the Brits gave those parts back [+]).
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>>If you read the treaties that ended the two wars with England, you'll
>>know that 1812 wasn't a draw.
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> Back to http://gatewayno.com/history/War1812.html:
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> - U.S. forces were not ready for war, and American hopes of conquering Canada
collapsed
> in the campaigns of 1812 and 1813.
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> H'm. "Hopes to conquer Canada collapsed". So, what you started the war over
> was obsolete by the time war was declared, you didn't conquer Canada, and
> the land possession hardly changed if at all.
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> A draw.
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>>>But, from the perspective of what the intent of the American invaders _was_
>>>(take over Canada to "free" us from the British oppression, which we happened
>>>to _like_ ;-), you blew it big time.
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>>American invaders? The "invasion" was the other way, the Brits taking
>>Mackinac Island first.
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> We were supposed to sit around twiddling our thumbs after you declared war on
us?
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> Back to that same link again:
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> - They argued that American honor could be saved and British policies changed
> by an invasion of Canada.
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> [Remembering of course that British policies had already been changed.]
The Americans were still trying to take over Canada as late as 1866.
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