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Posted by Frank on April 24, 2008, 7:50 pm
> Use of fuel for food is pure stupidity. Studies have shown that the fuel
> you get out is about equal to the energy you put in.
How come Brazil could get away from dino oil and we, with all our technology
and money, couldn't? Looks like sugar cane is much more efficient than corn.
Brazilian started the ethanol program since the start of the oil crisis
during the 1970s while we're only getting started now when oil is hitting
$100 per barrel. I wouldn't be surprised if oil will hit $200 per barrel by
year end.
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Posted by Nate Nagel on April 24, 2008, 8:02 pm
Frank wrote:
>>Use of fuel for food is pure stupidity. Studies have shown that the fuel
>>you get out is about equal to the energy you put in.
>
>
> How come Brazil could get away from dino oil and we, with all our technology
> and money, couldn't? Looks like sugar cane is much more efficient than corn.
> Brazilian started the ethanol program since the start of the oil crisis
> during the 1970s while we're only getting started now when oil is hitting
> $100 per barrel. I wouldn't be surprised if oil will hit $200 per barrel by
> year end.
>
Sugar cane is, in fact, a much better source of ethanol than corn.
nate
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Posted by Dave Bugg on April 24, 2008, 8:31 pm
Frank wrote:
>> Use of fuel for food is pure stupidity. Studies have shown that the
>> fuel you get out is about equal to the energy you put in.
>
> How come Brazil could get away from dino oil and we, with all our
> technology and money, couldn't?
They haven't. The amount of petroleum for cars has been supplemented, but
Brazil still uses large amounts of petroleum for other products. In fact
Brazil just found one of the largest oil reserves in the hemisphere and will
be developing it. Last I heard, they expect to be producing a couple of
million barrels per day.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aBUoYKhu7PWk&refer=latin_america
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4563896.stm
> Looks like sugar cane is much more
> efficient than corn.
That's why they (Brazilian farmers) are now turning huge tracts of Amazonian
rain forest (jungle) into sugar cane production in order to sustain the
ethanol production program. Brazil, of course, denies any impact on the
jungle.
> Brazilian started the ethanol program since the
> start of the oil crisis during the 1970s while we're only getting
> started now when oil is hitting $100 per barrel. I wouldn't be
> surprised if oil will hit $200 per barrel by year end.
The problem is the amount of farmable land for food or fuel production,
which includes water for irrigation. Right now it is a finite pie..... you
take a slice for fuel crops and that reduces the slices available for food
crops.
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Dave www.davebbq.com
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan
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Posted by Stormin Mormon on April 24, 2008, 9:05 pm
How come we can't convince the tree hugers to go jump off a cliff, so we can
build some more refineries, and drill the oil that's on US soil?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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How come Brazil could get away from dino oil and we, with all our technology
and money, couldn't?
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Posted by HeyBub on April 25, 2008, 7:27 am
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> How come we can't convince the tree hugers to go jump off a cliff, so
> we can build some more refineries, and drill the oil that's on US
> soil?
Maybe because we haven't tried? They're easy to convince, but not by facts.
Read "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer. A small book, but one that cannot
be read quickly. After each sentence, you'll put the book down, stroke your
chin, and go "Hmmm."
"People join mass movements because so doing adds meaning to their otherwise
meaningless lives."
"A mass movement can exist without a god, but it will always fail without a
devil. A movement must have someone to hate."
"People mind their own business when it is worth minding. When it is not,
they mind other peoples business."
"Membership in mass movements is interchangeable. People join a movement and
only then adopt the goals of the movement."
"People join mass movements to escape individual responsibility. They do
this by subsuming their will to that of the group."
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