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Re: Natural Gas Meters Under Water Pipedown 06-12-2008
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Posted by Pipedown on June 12, 2008, 7:35 pm
NG pipes have about 25PSI in them, the pipe would need to be quite deep
before water could overcome that pressure and enter them. The vent is only
open if pressure builds to greater than it should be. In typical floods it
will just bubble out. The vent is also one way so unless there was a broken
gas pipe, the system will remain sealed.

Remember that flaming gas leaks after the Katrina hurricane. It looked like
a pool of water bubbling violently with flames all about the surface.
Pretty cool and fearsome.


> Weve been having record rains. While watching some of the flood
> damages on the tv news, I noticed many Natural Gas meters are under
> water by the flooded homes. I was wondering if this posed any risk?
> I know they are vented, so while they are under water, the venting
> will not work. Also, will water enter the pipes thru the vents?
>
> I'm not flooded, nor do I have Natural Gas, but I'm curious about
> this.
>
>



Posted by hallerb@aol.com on June 12, 2008, 10:39 pm
> NG pipes have about 25PSI in them, the pipe would need to be quite deep
> before water could overcome that pressure and enter them. =EF=BF=BDThe ven=
t is only
> open if pressure builds to greater than it should be. =EF=BF=BDIn typical =
floods it
> will just bubble out. =EF=BF=BDThe vent is also one way so unless there wa=
s a broken
> gas pipe, the system will remain sealed.
>
> Remember that flaming gas leaks after the Katrina hurricane. =EF=BF=BDIt l=
ooked like
> a pool of water bubbling violently with flames all about the surface.
> Pretty cool and fearsome.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Weve been having record rains. =EF=BF=BDWhile watching some of the flood=

> > damages on the tv news, =EF=BF=BDI noticed many Natural Gas meters are u=
nder
> > water by the flooded homes. =EF=BF=BDI was wondering if this posed any r=
isk?
> > I know they are vented, so while they are under water, the venting
> > will not work. =EF=BF=BDAlso, will water enter the pipes thru the vents?=

>
> > I'm not flooded, nor do I have Natural Gas, but I'm curious about
> > this.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

gas pressure in homes is at most a few ounces, so water can easily
enter.

gas companies know what to do, and will get everything right before
turning gas back on.

i heard they put vacuumn pumps on some lines.

Posted by John Gilmer on June 12, 2008, 11:34 pm
"gas pressure in homes is at most a few ounces, so water can easily
enter."

The pressure in the gas company pipes running down the street are relatively
low and less than 10 psi. The presure is reduce to something on the order
of 10" of water by a regular on the "company side" of the gas meter. These
regulators are vented and if they are underwater they might permit higher
than normal gas pressure to enter the gas meter.

The meters themselve are completely sealed except for the inlet and outlet
pipes. Unless someone let a stove burner on, I don't see how water could
get into the gas pipes from the customer side.

"gas companies know what to do, and will get everything right before
turning gas back on."

Indeed.

That's their job.

i heard they put vacuumn pumps on some lines.


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Posted by EXT on June 13, 2008, 8:19 pm

> "gas pressure in homes is at most a few ounces, so water can easily
> enter."
>
> The pressure in the gas company pipes running down the street are
> relatively low and less than 10 psi. The presure is reduce to something
> on the order of 10" of water by a regular on the "company side" of the gas
> meter. These regulators are vented and if they are underwater they might
> permit higher than normal gas pressure to enter the gas meter.
>
> The meters themselve are completely sealed except for the inlet and outlet
> pipes. Unless someone let a stove burner on, I don't see how water could
> get into the gas pipes from the customer side.
>
> "gas companies know what to do, and will get everything right before
> turning gas back on."
>
> Indeed.
>
> That's their job.
>
> i heard they put vacuumn pumps on some lines.

Here is one you may not have heard before. Before I retired, I worked at a
gas utility. Sometimes dirt would get in a line when it was dug up or any
other reason. Small lines such as 1/2 plastic services would have to be dug
up and replaced to prevent dirt from finding its way into appliances because
they had no way to ensure dirt was not stuck in the line. They found that
(this was suggested by a female pipe fitter) putting a tampon in the pipe
and using compressed air to blow it out the other end would clean out the
pipe thoroughly. After that all maintenance trucks carried a box of tampons
with them.



Posted by hallerb@aol.com on June 13, 2008, 11:42 pm
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "gas pressure in homes is at most a few ounces, so water can easily
> > enter."
>
> > The pressure in the gas company pipes running down the street are
> > relatively low and less than 10 psi. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDThe presure is r=
educe to something
> > on the order of 10" of water by a regular on the "company side" of the g=
as
> > meter. =EF=BF=BD These regulators are vented and if they are underwater =
they might
> > permit higher than normal gas pressure to enter the gas meter.
>
> > The meters themselve are completely sealed except for the inlet and outl=
et
> > pipes. =EF=BF=BD Unless someone let a stove burner on, I don't see how w=
ater could
> > get into the gas pipes from the customer side.
>
> > "gas companies know what to do, and will get everything right before
> > turning gas back on."
>
> > Indeed.
>
> > That's their job.
>
> > i heard they put vacuumn pumps on some lines.
>
> Here is one you may not have heard before. Before I retired, I worked at a=

> gas utility. Sometimes dirt would get in a line when it was dug up or any
> other reason. Small lines such as 1/2 plastic services would have to be du=
g
> up and replaced to prevent dirt from finding its way into appliances becau=
se
> they had no way to ensure dirt was not stuck in the line. They found that
> (this was suggested by a female pipe fitter) putting a tampon in the pipe
> and using compressed air to blow it out the other end would clean out the
> pipe thoroughly. After that all maintenance trucks carried a box of tampon=
s
> with them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

ho ho.

my best friend has run his vehicles on compressed natural gas since
the 1972 gas crisis,.

he had to add heaters to his regulators, in the summer water or
moisture enters the gas lines and would freeze up his regulator,

not a winter problem, apparently the crews are more careful then, as
it would cause service outages. moisture enters during repairs

in a flood appliances float, wierd stuff occurs and water can enter.
meters often have regulators vented to air, but in a flood high water
can get in everywhere.

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