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Re: Reinforcing concrete slab with dowels gfretwell 02-17-2008
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Posted by on February 17, 2008, 12:51 am
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:15:08 -0500, "MiamiCuse"

>I have a trench about 4; wide and 10' long in my slab that was opened up for
>plumbing drain relocation and now I am ready to close it up. I will put the
>sand back in and compact it real well, then termicide, then moisture
>barrier, then I plan to add dowels to both sides of the existing slab and
>pour new concrete.
>
>It is very difficult to do the dowels because the trench width it irregular.
>As I did the first two I started to think if I position the dowels
>differently would it make the job easier and actually more effective?
>
>Instead of drilling holes on existing edges, why put the end of the dowel at
>the bottom of one slab, then pound it deep into the sand as far as it will
>go at an incline, when the dowel is shortened to be about the same width as
>the trench, start pounding it down until it wedges into the existing
>concrete on the other side. So basically the dowel will bridge the trench
>from below one slab to the middle of another slab, sort of pushing up the
>existing slab.
>
>If I continue this pattern, alternating the dowels say every 16 inches, I
>will have an even number of dowels on each side, angled up. If I pour
>concrete in and embed it into the new concrete, would it not be like
>pretensioning it? Seems to me logically would hold the new concrete up
>better...or am I nutz?
>
>MC
>


I think you are working too hard on this. Compact the dirt and pour in
the patch using an acrylic patch mix that will bond to the old slab
and be done with it. Use a low slump on the concrete and it won't
shrink as much (less water) What kind of surface are you installing
over this?

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Posted by MiamiCuse on February 17, 2008, 11:08 am

> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:15:08 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
>
>>I have a trench about 4; wide and 10' long in my slab that was opened up
>>for
>>plumbing drain relocation and now I am ready to close it up. I will put
>>the
>>sand back in and compact it real well, then termicide, then moisture
>>barrier, then I plan to add dowels to both sides of the existing slab and
>>pour new concrete.
>>
>>It is very difficult to do the dowels because the trench width it
>>irregular.
>>As I did the first two I started to think if I position the dowels
>>differently would it make the job easier and actually more effective?
>>
>>Instead of drilling holes on existing edges, why put the end of the dowel
>>at
>>the bottom of one slab, then pound it deep into the sand as far as it will
>>go at an incline, when the dowel is shortened to be about the same width
>>as
>>the trench, start pounding it down until it wedges into the existing
>>concrete on the other side. So basically the dowel will bridge the trench
>>from below one slab to the middle of another slab, sort of pushing up the
>>existing slab.
>>
>>If I continue this pattern, alternating the dowels say every 16 inches, I
>>will have an even number of dowels on each side, angled up. If I pour
>>concrete in and embed it into the new concrete, would it not be like
>>pretensioning it? Seems to me logically would hold the new concrete up
>>better...or am I nutz?
>>
>>MC
>>
>
>
> I think you are working too hard on this. Compact the dirt and pour in
> the patch using an acrylic patch mix that will bond to the old slab
> and be done with it. Use a low slump on the concrete and it won't
> shrink as much (less water) What kind of surface are you installing
> over this?

Ceramic tiles, a preslope for shower pan, more mortar on top of it and more
tiles. Thanks.



Posted by on February 17, 2008, 11:22 am
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:08:30 -0500, "MiamiCuse"

>
>> What kind of surface are you installing
>> over this?
>
>Ceramic tiles, a preslope for shower pan, more mortar on top of it and more
>tiles. Thanks.
>

Typically they will lay tile over a membrane down here. Concrete will
crack and transfer the crack through the tile otherwise.

Posted by MiamiCuse on February 17, 2008, 11:39 am

> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:08:30 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
>
>>
>>> What kind of surface are you installing
>>> over this?
>>
>>Ceramic tiles, a preslope for shower pan, more mortar on top of it and
>>more
>>tiles. Thanks.
>>
>
> Typically they will lay tile over a membrane down here. Concrete will
> crack and transfer the crack through the tile otherwise.

I have not seen membrane under tiles in the places I lived and visited.
Seems they just apply thinset and tile on. Wood floors or laminated floor a
moisture barrier is common. There is a layer of moisture barrier on the
underside of the slab which I torn up when digging up the trench. I will
need to fix that back in. Thanks.



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