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Posted by on April 17, 2008, 3:02 pm
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:42:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> > On Apr 15, 8:13 pm, aspasia wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> > > >On Apr 14, 2:04 am, aspasia wrote:
>> > > >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:48:33 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>>
>> > > >> >In article
>>
>> > > >> >> The only reason folks buy cast iron cookware is because it's cheap,
>> > > >> >> and they are too poor or miserly to buy real cookware or they enjoy
>> > > >> >> playing pilgrim.
>>
>> > > >> >You don't have kids or a wife, do you.
>>
>> > > >> >It's a great way to get iron into the diet.
>>
>> > > >> You couldn't HIRE me to use those non-stick coatings which migrate
>> > > >> into the user's system with bad consequences. Feh!
>>
>> > > >Do you have a citation to a refereed scientific journal that describes
>> > > >those
>> > > >bad consequences?
>>
>> > > >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> > > I hope you don't mind if I suggest you do your own research. I've
>> > > seen a great deal on-line and in hard media over the years attesting
>> > > to the damage done to people by fumes from these pans. But that
>> > > material may not rise to the scientific level of assurance you
>> > > require.
>>
>> > Actually, the only things I've seen that seemed remotely credible was:
>>
>> > 1. When heated to excess, some types of nonstick coatings can release
>> > fumes that are toxic to birds.
>>
>> > 2. If you don't use the nonstick pan like an idiot, you're in no
>> > danger.
>>
>> > I'm really looking for a citation in the New England Journal of
>> > Medicine,
>> > the Lancet, or peer-reviewed toxicology journals. Perhaps I'll see
>> > what I can
>> > find. It seems to me that the burden of proof is on the person making
>> > the
>> > claims, however.
>>
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I don't know if this is pertinent or not, but five years ago a
>> co-worker, who works as a scientist in environmental engineering and
>> science, shared with me an article from USA Today written by Elizabeth
>> Weise, "Posted 4/23/2003 10:08 PM - Updated 4/24/2003 1:24 AM". The
>> title of the article is, "Out of the frying pan, into a fire." I won't
>> post/share the entire article here because that would be an infringement
>> of copyright. But for reference, here are a couple of paragraphs quoted
>> from the article that may help, or perhaps not:
>>
>> "Last week the Environmental Protection Agency announced concerns
>> about a widely used chemical called perfluorinated acid. Tests in rats
>> have shown reduced fetal weight of pups, delays in maturation and kidney
>> problems - and 92% of Americans tested had trace amounts of it in their
>> blood. That's because so-called PFOA or its byproducts are used in the
>> manufacturing process for Teflon and Gore-Tex and can be released as the
>> original Scotchguard and Stainmaster break down. PFOA also has other
>> industrial uses."
>
>PFOA is used in Teflon manufacture. This doesn't seem to say anything
>about Teflon use.
>
>> "This month a paper in the journal Current Biology reported that a
>> commonly used plastic ingredient called bisphenol A caused abnormal
>> pregnancies in mice and might cause reproductive problems in people.
>> Last year a Swedish study found that a flame retardant used in TV sets,
>> computer circuit boards and casings, foams and fabric called
>> polybrominated diphenyl ether, or PBDE, is rapidly accumulating in human
>> breast milk. The chemical is thought to cause thyroid cancer and
>> possibly neurodevelopmental problems in test animals."
>
>Also nothing to do with using Teflon-coated pans.
>
>> Hope this helps you to find appropriate citations for particular studies
>> and papers if you're so inclinded.
>>
>> Sky, who is no scientist and has no "environmental engineering and
>> science" background <-----disclaimer!
>
>I'll continue to use my Teflon pans for the tasks for which they're
>suited,
>my stainless-steel pans for their tasks, and my cast iron when it's
>suitable.
>
>Cindy Hamilton
They had to take Scotchguard off the market while they created a new
formulation due to this problem. It has long been known by those who
keep birds that teflon cookware gives off fumes that even in tiny
amounts will kill all of their birds.
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