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Re: Toilet Leaks After Rebuild 06-20-2005
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Posted by on June 20, 2005, 6:05 pm
On 20 Jun 2005 08:43:32 -0700, gls860@juno.com wrote:

>I am NOT a plumber; just a homeowner trying to save a few bucks.
>Yesterday, I completely rebuilt the inside of my toilet, replacing the
>old ball and stem type fill valve with a new float valve system. The
>kit I purchased also included a new flush valve and donut gasket, which
>meant that I had to completely remove the tank from the bowl in order
>to effect the necessary repairs. I got it all back together, according
>to the directions, and then remounted the tank back onto the bowl. The
>first problem I encountered was that the bolts that came with the kit
>to re-attach the tank, were larger in diameter than the ones I took
>out. This would not have been a problem, except one of the holes was
>slightly too small to accept the new hardware. After careful
>consideration, I decided the best thing to do was to re-attach the tank
>using the original hardware. So, I did, being careful not to
>overtighten, because I did not want to crack the tank. Using a pan, I
>manually filled the tank about 1/4 full and checked for leaks. After
>about a half hour, I then decided to open the valve and let the tank
>fill the rest of the way. Within a couple of minutes, it started to
>leak like a sieve. The only thing I can think of was that the old
>rubber washers that go between the bolt heads and the tank bottom were
>worn and leaking. Question I have is this : How do you know when you
>have tightened the bolts enough before you overtighten? If I put a
>flat metal washer between the bolt head and the rubber washer, wold
>this fix the problem? would love to hear from anyone who has had a
>similar problem. Thanks!
>
>George
>
>As an added note : I might have used the new rubber washers, except
>they were sized for the larger diameter bolts, and I felt this would
>cause it to leak as well.


LOOKING INSIDE THE TANK;
You should have;

flat washer
rubber gasket
tank
flat washer
nut

toilet base
washer
nut

You should be able to tighten the bolt/nut
to create a water-tight seal BEFORE you install the tank.

THEN

Install the tank on the toilet.
Use another washer/nut to secure the tank to the toilet base.

The bottom nut only secures the tank to the toilet.
It should have nothing to do with the water seal.


<rj>

Posted by cowboy on June 21, 2005, 3:00 am
> LOOKING INSIDE THE TANK;
> You should have;
>
> flat washer
> rubber gasket
> tank
> flat washer
> nut
>
> toilet base
> washer
> nut
>
> You should be able to tighten the bolt/nut
> to create a water-tight seal BEFORE you install the tank.
>
> THEN
>
> Install the tank on the toilet.
> Use another washer/nut to secure the tank to the toilet base.
>
> The bottom nut only secures the tank to the toilet.
> It should have nothing to do with the water seal.
>
>
> <rj>

WTF?

you don't need all the mish-mash above, I have attached 100's of tanks to
bowls, you only need, in this order, top to bottom:

original bolt
new sealing washer from home depot toilet dept. (98 cents for 4-pack)
tank
original metal washer
original nut

get them snug to the point where bolt begins to compress sealing washer

it helps to lubricate original rusty bolt & nut threads with a little 3 in 1
oil.

optional: some folks feel better if they add an additional metal washer
between bolt & sealing washer

don't forget to clean and perhaps sand sealing surface as I outlined in
earlier message.

this should be a 5 minute procedure



Posted by on June 21, 2005, 8:38 am

>> LOOKING INSIDE THE TANK;
>> You should have;
>>
>> flat washer
>> rubber gasket
>> tank
>> flat washer
>> nut
>>
>> toilet base
>> washer
>> nut
>>

>
>you don't need all the mish-mash above, I have attached 100's of tanks to
>bowls, you only need, in this order, top to bottom:
>
>original bolt
>new sealing washer from home depot toilet dept. (98 cents for 4-pack)
>tank
>original metal washer
>original nut
>
>get them snug to the point where bolt begins to compress sealing washer
>
>it helps to lubricate original rusty bolt & nut threads with a little 3 in 1
>oil.
>
>optional: some folks feel better if they add an additional metal washer
>between bolt & sealing washer
>
>don't forget to clean and perhaps sand sealing surface as I outlined in
>earlier message.
>
>this should be a 5 minute procedure
>

Yours may be the case for one "who's done hundreds of tanks"
But, the method I've described works every time
for the amateur who's doing his first tank.


<rj>

Posted by on June 21, 2005, 10:00 am
I would like to thank everyone who has kindly responded with their
suggestions. Last night I made a trip to Home Depot and got all the
required hardware. Afterwork today, I will make another attempt.
Thanks again!

George


Posted by cowboy on June 21, 2005, 7:53 pm
just to verify you purchased the correct item, the home depot information
for my favorite tank washers is:


Fluidmaster
cloth reinforced tank bolt washers
black rubber
1-1/16" x 1/8"
p/n 066100
cost is 98 cents for a 4-pack here



this should actually be the only "hardware" you need!



>I would like to thank everyone who has kindly responded with their
> suggestions. Last night I made a trip to Home Depot and got all the
> required hardware. Afterwork today, I will make another attempt.
> Thanks again!
>
> George
>



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