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Re: Whole house phoneline surge protection John Grabowski 06-05-2008
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Posted by John Grabowski on June 5, 2008, 7:53 am

> Every summer I lose at least one modem from lightning (on dialup). I
> try to shut off the computer during storms, but then I can not view
> the weather radar and watch for alerts. I try to stay online until
> the storm gets quite close before shutting down, but I have lost a few
> modems from distant strikes. Surge protectors have their limitations,
> but anything that helps is worth doing.
>
> However, I have had several answering machines and cordless phones die
> too. In rural areas it seems these surges are worse than in a city.
> To protect everything, I'd have to install quite a few surge
> protectors to handle every phone device in the house. My questions is
> whether there is a WHOLE HOUSE surge protection device that I can buy,
> and install at the phone block where the line enters the house? That
> would be better than numerous surge protectors.



I suggest that you look at the grounding electrode system for your house.
Do you have a good waterpipe connection? Do you have ground rods installed?
Is your telephone demarcation block bonded to either the waterpipe or the
ground rods? Is your cable TV demarcation block bonded to the waterpipe or
ground rods? If you don't have a well grounded system then surge protectors
won't help a lot. Lightning wants to go to earth and by providing a good
direct path there it will avoid your appliances.


Posted by Mike Dobony on June 5, 2008, 8:20 am
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 07:53:25 -0400, John Grabowski wrote:

>> Every summer I lose at least one modem from lightning (on dialup). I
>> try to shut off the computer during storms, but then I can not view
>> the weather radar and watch for alerts. I try to stay online until
>> the storm gets quite close before shutting down, but I have lost a few
>> modems from distant strikes. Surge protectors have their limitations,
>> but anything that helps is worth doing.
>>
>> However, I have had several answering machines and cordless phones die
>> too. In rural areas it seems these surges are worse than in a city.
>> To protect everything, I'd have to install quite a few surge
>> protectors to handle every phone device in the house. My questions is
>> whether there is a WHOLE HOUSE surge protection device that I can buy,
>> and install at the phone block where the line enters the house? That
>> would be better than numerous surge protectors.
>
>
>
> I suggest that you look at the grounding electrode system for your house.
> Do you have a good waterpipe connection? Do you have ground rods installed?
> Is your telephone demarcation block bonded to either the waterpipe or the
> ground rods? Is your cable TV demarcation block bonded to the waterpipe or
> ground rods? If you don't have a well grounded system then surge protectors
> won't help a lot. Lightning wants to go to earth and by providing a good
> direct path there it will avoid your appliances.

In addition, per my electrician, fuses provide better protection than
breakers. Change out critical outlets with fuse/single outlet plates and
run off them. Fuses blow on the first excess wave form. Breakers trip
after a few wave forms. A fuse *might* blow before blowing your modem,
phone, etc. Maybe you could make your own fuse panel for the main phone
line coming in. It should only need an amp or 2 of protection.

Posted by hallerb@aol.com on June 5, 2008, 9:19 am
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 07:53:25 -0400, John Grabowski wrote:
> >> Every summer I lose at least one modem from lightning (on dialup). =EF=
=BF=BDI
> >> try to shut off the computer during storms, but then I can not view
> >> the weather radar and watch for alerts. =EF=BF=BDI try to stay online u=
ntil
> >> the storm gets quite close before shutting down, but I have lost a few
> >> modems from distant strikes. =EF=BF=BDSurge protectors have their limit=
ations,
> >> but anything that helps is worth doing.
>
> >> However, I have had several answering machines and cordless phones die
> >> too. =EF=BF=BDIn rural areas it seems these surges are worse than in a =
city.
> >> To protect everything, I'd have to install quite a few surge
> >> protectors to handle every phone device in the house. =EF=BF=BDMy quest=
ions is
> >> whether there is a WHOLE HOUSE surge protection device that I can buy,
> >> and install at the phone block where the line enters the house? =EF=BF=
=BDThat
> >> would be better than numerous surge protectors.
>
> > I suggest that you look at the grounding electrode system for your house=
.
> > Do you have a good waterpipe connection? =EF=BF=BDDo you have ground rod=
s installed?
> > Is your telephone demarcation block bonded to either the waterpipe or th=
e
> > ground rods? =EF=BF=BDIs your cable TV demarcation block bonded to the w=
aterpipe or
> > ground rods? =EF=BF=BDIf you don't have a well grounded system then surg=
e protectors
> > won't help a lot. =EF=BF=BDLightning wants to go to earth and by providi=
ng a good
> > direct path there it will avoid your appliances.
>
> In addition, per my electrician, fuses provide better protection than
> breakers. =EF=BF=BDChange out critical outlets with fuse/single outlet pla=
tes and
> run off them. =EF=BF=BDFuses blow on the first excess wave form. =EF=BF=BD=
Breakers trip
> after a few wave forms. =EF=BF=BDA fuse *might* blow before blowing your m=
odem,
> phone, etc. =EF=BF=BDMaybe you could make your own fuse panel for the main=
phone
> line coming in. =EF=BF=BDIt should only need an amp or 2 of protection.- H=
ide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

actually the amp rating is likely far lower.

if you go fuses, put a couple bells before the fuse, cant damage a old
style bell.

then surge or fuse protect everything else.

Posted by John Grabowski on June 5, 2008, 8:39 pm

> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 07:53:25 -0400, "John Grabowski"
>
>>
>>> Every summer I lose at least one modem from lightning (on dialup). I
>>> try to shut off the computer during storms, but then I can not view
>>> the weather radar and watch for alerts. I try to stay online until
>>> the storm gets quite close before shutting down, but I have lost a few
>>> modems from distant strikes. Surge protectors have their limitations,
>>> but anything that helps is worth doing.
>>>
>>> However, I have had several answering machines and cordless phones die
>>> too. In rural areas it seems these surges are worse than in a city.
>>> To protect everything, I'd have to install quite a few surge
>>> protectors to handle every phone device in the house. My questions is
>>> whether there is a WHOLE HOUSE surge protection device that I can buy,
>>> and install at the phone block where the line enters the house? That
>>> would be better than numerous surge protectors.
>>
>>
>>
>>I suggest that you look at the grounding electrode system for your house.
>>Do you have a good waterpipe connection? Do you have ground rods
>>installed?
>>Is your telephone demarcation block bonded to either the waterpipe or the
>>ground rods? Is your cable TV demarcation block bonded to the waterpipe
>>or
>>ground rods? If you don't have a well grounded system then surge
>>protectors
>>won't help a lot. Lightning wants to go to earth and by providing a good
>>direct path there it will avoid your appliances.
>
> My service panel is grounded at the pole, which is right outside the
> house. This is a farm, and that pole provides power to multiple
> buildings. However, the electric service is not the problem, it's the
> phone line. This is a trailer house. When the phone company
> installed the phone line, they grounded the phone line to the steel
> beam under the trailer. Since the trailer beam has cinder blocks
> under it, it's really not grounded at all. Maybe I should add a
> ground rod and connect the phone line. I always thought this was not
> an adaquate ground. The only real ground path is the metal skirting
> that contacts the ground around the house, and I am not certain if
> that beam under the house is actually contacting the trailer house
> aluminum siding. So, in reality, there is no REAL ground.
>
> Thanks


Installing a ground rod just for the phone line is probably the cheapest way
to go.


Posted by Bob F on June 6, 2008, 1:10 pm

>
>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 07:53:25 -0400, "John Grabowski"
>>
>>>
>>>> Every summer I lose at least one modem from lightning (on dialup). I
>>>> try to shut off the computer during storms, but then I can not view
>>>> the weather radar and watch for alerts. I try to stay online until
>>>> the storm gets quite close before shutting down, but I have lost a few
>>>> modems from distant strikes. Surge protectors have their limitations,
>>>> but anything that helps is worth doing.
>>>>
>>>> However, I have had several answering machines and cordless phones die
>>>> too. In rural areas it seems these surges are worse than in a city.
>>>> To protect everything, I'd have to install quite a few surge
>>>> protectors to handle every phone device in the house. My questions is
>>>> whether there is a WHOLE HOUSE surge protection device that I can buy,
>>>> and install at the phone block where the line enters the house? That
>>>> would be better than numerous surge protectors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I suggest that you look at the grounding electrode system for your house.
>>>Do you have a good waterpipe connection? Do you have ground rods installed?
>>>Is your telephone demarcation block bonded to either the waterpipe or the
>>>ground rods? Is your cable TV demarcation block bonded to the waterpipe or
>>>ground rods? If you don't have a well grounded system then surge protectors
>>>won't help a lot. Lightning wants to go to earth and by providing a good
>>>direct path there it will avoid your appliances.
>>
>> My service panel is grounded at the pole, which is right outside the
>> house. This is a farm, and that pole provides power to multiple
>> buildings. However, the electric service is not the problem, it's the
>> phone line. This is a trailer house. When the phone company
>> installed the phone line, they grounded the phone line to the steel
>> beam under the trailer. Since the trailer beam has cinder blocks
>> under it, it's really not grounded at all. Maybe I should add a
>> ground rod and connect the phone line. I always thought this was not
>> an adaquate ground. The only real ground path is the metal skirting
>> that contacts the ground around the house, and I am not certain if
>> that beam under the house is actually contacting the trailer house
>> aluminum siding. So, in reality, there is no REAL ground.
>>
>> Thanks
>
>
> Installing a ground rod just for the phone line is probably the cheapest way
> to go.

I thought that multiple, separate ground rods caused a problem.



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