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Re: Whole house phoneline surge protection Duff2 06-05-2008
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Posted by Duff2 on June 5, 2008, 8:15 am
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:21:41 -0500, letterman@invalid.com wrote:

>Every summer I lose at least one modem from lightning (on dialup). I
>try to shut off the computer during storms, but then I can not view
>the weather radar and watch for alerts. I try to stay online until
>the storm gets quite close before shutting down, but I have lost a few
>modems from distant strikes. Surge protectors have their limitations,
>but anything that helps is worth doing.
>
>However, I have had several answering machines and cordless phones die
>too. In rural areas it seems these surges are worse than in a city.
>To protect everything, I'd have to install quite a few surge
>protectors to handle every phone device in the house. My questions is
>whether there is a WHOLE HOUSE surge protection device that I can buy,
>and install at the phone block where the line enters the house? That
>would be better than numerous surge protectors.
>
>Thanks
>Thanks

I have a surge protector near the entry point of my phone lines. I
can easily detour the phone line through this one expensive surge
protector and then on to its destination. The whole house is now
protected.




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Posted by w_tom on June 5, 2008, 9:50 am
> I have a surge protector near the entry point of my phone lines. I
> can easily detour the phone line through this one expensive surge
> protector and then on to its destination. The whole house is now
> protected.

That assumes a surge protector provides the protection. It does
not. What a protector connects to provides the protection. From the
NIST:
> What these protective devices do is neither suppress nor arrest
> a surge, but simply divert it to ground, where it can do no harm.

Wire length is critical. A protector too far from earth ground may
even divert (earth) that surge destructively through adjacent
appliances. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground:
quality of that earthing electrode AND connection to that electrode.
Protection means a dedicated earthing wire from a protector that is
short (ie 'less than 10 feet'), no splices, no sharp bends, separated
from other wires, not inside metallic conduit, etc. That ground wire
inside Romex violates every requirement which is another reason why an
AC wall receptacle is not earthing and why a plug-in protector is not
earthed.

Your phone line and cable should be earthed (as even required by
code). The cable earthed by a direct connection; telephone via a telco
(provided for free) 'whole house' protector. But two of three AC
electric wires are not earthed. You must properly earth a 'whole
house' protector. Incoming surges seek earth ground. One destructive
path is incoming on AC electric, through powered phone appliances,
then to earth ground on phone line. Damage routinely seen in
answering machines, modems, and portable phone base stations if an AC
electric 'whole house' protector is not installed. Others who don't
learn this technology, instead, use speculation to assume a surge
entered on phone lines.

What provides protection? Earthing. That means every incoming
utility wire inside every cable must make that short ('less than 10
foot') connection to the SAME earth ground (and meet those other above
connection requirements). Earthed by a hard wire or earthed by a
protector.

A protector does not stop, block, or absorb what three miles of sky
could not stop. But some (obscenely profitable) protectors get
promoted on that myth. Effective protection means surge energy
connected short to earth. Surges must be dissipated harmlessly in
earth. Plug-in protectors do not even claim to absorb anywhere near
those energy levels. A protector must shunt (connect, divert) a
direct lightning strike to earth AND remain functional (not vaporize
and not trigger the failure light).

. Each protection layer is defined by what provides that protection:
single point earth ground. Above discusses secondary protection.
Homeowners should also inspect primary protection:
http://www.tvtower.com/fpl.html

Meanwhile fuses don't do anything for surge protection. Fuses for
surge protection are another urban myth.

A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. A protector
without that short, dedicated earthing wire forgets to mention it does
not protect from surges that typically cause damage. We make a
protector even better by upgrading that earthing. Others have
confused what provides protection. Not the protection. Protection is
where surge energy gets dissipated: earth ground. It is routine to
suffer a direct strike and no damage (even to protector) with proper
earthing and one minimally sized 'whole house' protector.

Posted by bud-- on June 5, 2008, 12:32 pm
w_tom wrote:
.
> Damage routinely seen in
> answering machines, modems, and portable phone base stations if an AC
> electric 'whole house' protector is not installed. Others who don't
> learn this technology, instead, use speculation to assume a surge
> entered on phone lines.

The OP says damage was only to equipment connected to phone and power
lines. Equipment connected to power, but not phone, was not damaged.
That suggests a problem related to phone wires.

>
> A protector does not stop, block, or absorb what three miles of sky
> could not stop. But some (obscenely profitable) protectors get
> promoted on that myth.

w_ has a religious belief (immune from challenge) that surge protection
must use earthing. Thus in his view plug-in suppressors (which are not
well earthed) can not possibly work. The IEEE guide
http://www.mikeholt.com/files/PDF/LightningGuide_FINALpublishedversion_May051.pdf
explains plug-in suppressors work by CLAMPING the voltage on all wires
(signal and power) to the common ground at the suppressor. The voltage
between wires going to the protected equipment is safe for the protected
equipment. Plug-in suppressors do not work primarily by earthing (or
stopping or blocking or absorbing). The guide explains earthing occurs
elsewhere. (Read the guide starting pdf page 40).

>
> A protector is only as effective as its earth ground.

The required statement of religious belief in earthing.

Most of w_’s rant is to say plug-in suppressors do not work (as usual).
Both the IEEE and NIST guides say plug-in suppressors are effective.

w_ has never cited a source that agrees with him that plug-in
suppressors do NOT work.

w_ has never answered embarrassing questions:
- Why do the only 2 examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-in
suppressors?
- Why does the NIST guide says plug-in suppressors are "the easiest
solution"?
– Why does the IEEE guide say (for long phone entrance ground) "the only
effective way of protecting the equipment is to use a multiport
[plug-in] protector".

--
bud--

Posted by Duff2 on June 5, 2008, 8:33 pm

You are absolutely WRONG.

Almost nothing you say is true.





>> I have a surge protector near the entry point of my phone lines. I
>> can easily detour the phone line through this one expensive surge
>> protector and then on to its destination. The whole house is now
>> protected.
>
> That assumes a surge protector provides the protection. It does
>not. What a protector connects to provides the protection. From the
>NIST:
>> What these protective devices do is neither suppress nor arrest
>> a surge, but simply divert it to ground, where it can do no harm.
>
> Wire length is critical. A protector too far from earth ground may
>even divert (earth) that surge destructively through adjacent
>appliances. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground:
>quality of that earthing electrode AND connection to that electrode.
>Protection means a dedicated earthing wire from a protector that is
>short (ie 'less than 10 feet'), no splices, no sharp bends, separated
>from other wires, not inside metallic conduit, etc. That ground wire
>inside Romex violates every requirement which is another reason why an
>AC wall receptacle is not earthing and why a plug-in protector is not
>earthed.
>
> Your phone line and cable should be earthed (as even required by
>code). The cable earthed by a direct connection; telephone via a telco
>(provided for free) 'whole house' protector. But two of three AC
>electric wires are not earthed. You must properly earth a 'whole
>house' protector. Incoming surges seek earth ground. One destructive
>path is incoming on AC electric, through powered phone appliances,
>then to earth ground on phone line. Damage routinely seen in
>answering machines, modems, and portable phone base stations if an AC
>electric 'whole house' protector is not installed. Others who don't
>learn this technology, instead, use speculation to assume a surge
>entered on phone lines.
>
> What provides protection? Earthing. That means every incoming
>utility wire inside every cable must make that short ('less than 10
>foot') connection to the SAME earth ground (and meet those other above
>connection requirements). Earthed by a hard wire or earthed by a
>protector.
>
> A protector does not stop, block, or absorb what three miles of sky
>could not stop. But some (obscenely profitable) protectors get
>promoted on that myth. Effective protection means surge energy
>connected short to earth. Surges must be dissipated harmlessly in
>earth. Plug-in protectors do not even claim to absorb anywhere near
>those energy levels. A protector must shunt (connect, divert) a
>direct lightning strike to earth AND remain functional (not vaporize
>and not trigger the failure light).
>
>. Each protection layer is defined by what provides that protection:
>single point earth ground. Above discusses secondary protection.
>Homeowners should also inspect primary protection:
> http://www.tvtower.com/fpl.html
>
> Meanwhile fuses don't do anything for surge protection. Fuses for
>surge protection are another urban myth.
>
> A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. A protector
>without that short, dedicated earthing wire forgets to mention it does
>not protect from surges that typically cause damage. We make a
>protector even better by upgrading that earthing. Others have
>confused what provides protection. Not the protection. Protection is
>where surge energy gets dissipated: earth ground. It is routine to
>suffer a direct strike and no damage (even to protector) with proper
>earthing and one minimally sized 'whole house' protector.


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