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Re: Whole house phoneline surge protection John Ross 06-06-2008
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Posted by John Ross on June 6, 2008, 9:00 am



bud-- wrote:
>Plug-in suppressors work primarily
> by clamping the voltage on all wires (power and signal) to the common
> ground at the suppressor.

bud, I'm not trying to get in the debate you have with you know who.
This is meant as a sincere question :)

Can you explain in layman's terms what "clamping" means. You say it
doesn't stop, absorb, divert--so exactly what does it do? To me those
things would be the only thing I can think of that could fit the word
"clamping". Again, a sincere request to explain exactly what clamping
means in a way a layperson could understand.

--
John Ross

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Posted by on June 6, 2008, 9:56 am
> bud-- wrote:
> >Plug-in suppressors work primarily
> > by clamping the voltage on all wires (power and signal) to the common
> > ground at the suppressor.
>
> bud, I'm not trying to get in the debate you have with you know who.
> This is meant as a sincere question :)
>
> Can you explain in layman's terms what "clamping" means. You say it
> doesn't stop, absorb, divert--so exactly what does it do? To me those
> things would be the only thing I can think of that could fit the word
> "clamping". Again, a sincere request to explain exactly what clamping
> means in a way a layperson could understand.
>
> --
> John Ross

Clamping means limiting the voltage difference between different
circuits or conductors. When MOVs in a typical surge protector turn
on, the voltage difference between the various conductors is kept to
the turn-on threshold of the MOVs, which is typically a few hundred
volts. So, the appliance, instead of seeing a differential voltage of
say 2000 volts between say hot and neutral, only sees a maximum
voltage of 350 volts, which is survivable. Plug -in surge protectors
have this protection between the various conductors passing through
them, AC, phone, etc.

Posted by David Combs on June 29, 2008, 11:18 pm
>
>Clamping means limiting the voltage difference between different
>circuits or conductors. When MOVs in a typical surge protector turn
>on, the voltage difference between the various conductors is kept to
>the turn-on threshold of the MOVs, which is typically a few hundred
>volts. So, the appliance, instead of seeing a differential voltage of
>say 2000 volts between say hot and neutral, only sees a maximum
>voltage of 350 volts, which is survivable. Plug -in surge protectors
>have this protection between the various conductors passing through
>them, AC, phone, etc.

My *next* stupid question: what's a MOV?

Thanks,

David

Posted by bud-- on June 30, 2008, 12:47 pm
David Combs wrote:
>> Clamping means limiting the voltage difference between different
>> circuits or conductors. When MOVs in a typical surge protector turn
>> on, the voltage difference between the various conductors is kept to
>> the turn-on threshold of the MOVs, which is typically a few hundred
>> volts. So, the appliance, instead of seeing a differential voltage of
>> say 2000 volts between say hot and neutral, only sees a maximum
>> voltage of 350 volts, which is survivable. Plug -in surge protectors
>> have this protection between the various conductors passing through
>> them, AC, phone, etc.
>
> My *next* stupid question: what's a MOV?
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varistor

MOV = Metal Oxide Varistor
A varistor is a resistor with a resistance that is not constant.

If you know what a Zener diode is, a MOV is like a bidirectional Zener
diode.

A MOV tries to limit the voltage across it. As surge voltage rises above
a characteristic clamp voltage rating, the current rises very rapidly.
That can result in thousands of amps through the device (for a very
short time). Most surge suppressors are based on MOVs because MOVs have
high current and high energy dissipation ratings in a small package, and
they are cheap.

(Clamp voltage) times (current) times( time) equals energy that is
absorbed by the MOV as heat. That can produce some damage.

MOVs have an energy rating, which is the max energy the MOV can absorb
in a single event. After that, they will still function but with further
hits will degrade.

If the single event energy rating is far above the actual energy hits,
the cumulative energy rating is far higher than the single event rating.
With high ratings a plug–in suppressor is not likely to fail.

--
bud--

Posted by David Combs on July 4, 2008, 8:49 pm
>David Combs wrote:
>> In article
>>> Clamping means limiting the voltage difference between different
>>> circuits or conductors. When MOVs in a typical surge protector turn
>>> on, the voltage difference between the various conductors is kept to
>>> the turn-on threshold of the MOVs, which is typically a few hundred
>>> volts. So, the appliance, instead of seeing a differential voltage of
>>> say 2000 volts between say hot and neutral, only sees a maximum
>>> voltage of 350 volts, which is survivable. Plug -in surge protectors
>>> have this protection between the various conductors passing through
>>> them, AC, phone, etc.
>>
>> My *next* stupid question: what's a MOV?
>.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varistor
>
>MOV = Metal Oxide Varistor
>A varistor is a resistor with a resistance that is not constant.
>
>If you know what a Zener diode is, a MOV is like a bidirectional Zener
>diode.
>
>A MOV tries to limit the voltage across it. As surge voltage rises above
>a characteristic clamp voltage rating, the current rises very rapidly.
>That can result in thousands of amps through the device (for a very
>short time). Most surge suppressors are based on MOVs because MOVs have
>high current and high energy dissipation ratings in a small package, and
>they are cheap.
>
>(Clamp voltage) times (current) times( time) equals energy that is
>absorbed by the MOV as heat. That can produce some damage.
>
>MOVs have an energy rating, which is the max energy the MOV can absorb
>in a single event. After that, they will still function but with further
>hits will degrade.
>
>If the single event energy rating is far above the actual energy hits,
>the cumulative energy rating is far higher than the single event rating.
>With high ratings a plug–in suppressor is not likely to fail.
>
>--
>bud--



Cool!


And for an educational thread, thanks to one and all!

David





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