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Re: Window shutters mm 03-18-2007
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Posted by mm on March 18, 2007, 11:56 pm


On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:16:49 -0800, "Eigenvector"

>Right now my windows have those premade slatted window shutters that nail on
>to the siding. I hate the ones that are on there right now, they aren't
>proportional to the window size and attract wasp nests like magnets.

Why will real shutters attact fewer wasps?

I don't really like the phony ones either, especially as you say, when
they aren't wide enough to shutter anything. But I try to ignore all
that and consider them decorative. It's something like the gold braid
on one shoulder of fancy uniforms: It once had a function.

>So I'm looking at replacing them with functional (not that I'd actually use
>them mind you - unless there are legitimate reasons to do so) cedar
>shutters.
>
>So here is my question, my windows are 72" wide, 48" tall, which means the
>shutters would have to be ~35"x50" each. If I had those on the side of my

About 37 inches wide.

>house, attached using hinges and eye hooks would they look way out of
>proportion to the rest of the house or am I too used to seeing the skinny
>premades already on? Another question, assuming I want to actually use them

This is the kind of question I've been known to ask, if not here,
friends. Something like, Would I be happy if I married that girl?

And you don't include a picture of your house. I'll say this, if like
someone I know, you have a series of 72" windows with 6 inches between
them, you won't like the look of shutters.

>( we get high winds here in Seattle where I live ) what would be the
>appropriate way to secure the hinges to the window frame? I'm envisioning
>using long screws into the window framing but is that necessary or are there

I don't think they go into the window frrames. I think you should
find some real shutters and look at them.

We had real shutter until I was ten. I don't remember remembering
details from then, but I've to others and I've seen the shutters
attached to the mortar on the face of the brick house.

Knock on the door and ask the owners if you can measure the windows,
the shutters. There may be a good reason not to, but if not, thye'll
probably say yes.

>better ways? The siding frame around the windows is basically cedar
>strips - nothing structural.
>
>Basically my design that I have in my head is 9 or 10 1x4 cedar planks
>secured to 2 1x3 cedar arms, with hinges on each arm. Nice straightforward

You keep saying hinges. I've only seen heavy duty eyes and hooks for
hinges.

Of course, your style of shutter has to go with your style of house.

>simple design. An eyehook on the last plank would secure the shutter to the
>siding or each other when closed.
>


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Posted by Eigenvector on March 19, 2007, 1:04 am



> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:16:49 -0800, "Eigenvector"
>
>>Right now my windows have those premade slatted window shutters that nail
>>on
>>to the siding. I hate the ones that are on there right now, they aren't
>>proportional to the window size and attract wasp nests like magnets.
>
> Why will real shutters attact fewer wasps?

Yes I believe so. The slatted style gives those buggers a place to crawl
into to hide behind. With fence style shutters the wasps would only have
the sides to get into and making a nest would be a little less obvious. Of
course I could be fooling myself here, after all I get wasp nests in my
mailbox (bastards).

>
> I don't really like the phony ones either, especially as you say, when
> they aren't wide enough to shutter anything. But I try to ignore all
> that and consider them decorative. It's something like the gold braid
> on one shoulder of fancy uniforms: It once had a function.
>
>>So I'm looking at replacing them with functional (not that I'd actually
>>use
>>them mind you - unless there are legitimate reasons to do so) cedar
>>shutters.
>>
>>So here is my question, my windows are 72" wide, 48" tall, which means the
>>shutters would have to be ~35"x50" each. If I had those on the side of my
>
> About 37 inches wide.
>
>>house, attached using hinges and eye hooks would they look way out of
>>proportion to the rest of the house or am I too used to seeing the skinny
>>premades already on? Another question, assuming I want to actually use
>>them
>
> This is the kind of question I've been known to ask, if not here,
> friends. Something like, Would I be happy if I married that girl?
>
> And you don't include a picture of your house. I'll say this, if like
> someone I know, you have a series of 72" windows with 6 inches between
> them, you won't like the look of shutters.
>
>>( we get high winds here in Seattle where I live ) what would be the
>>appropriate way to secure the hinges to the window frame? I'm envisioning
>>using long screws into the window framing but is that necessary or are
>>there
>
> I don't think they go into the window frrames. I think you should
> find some real shutters and look at them.
>
> We had real shutter until I was ten. I don't remember remembering
> details from then, but I've to others and I've seen the shutters
> attached to the mortar on the face of the brick house.
>
> Knock on the door and ask the owners if you can measure the windows,
> the shutters. There may be a good reason not to, but if not, thye'll
> probably say yes.
>
>>better ways? The siding frame around the windows is basically cedar
>>strips - nothing structural.
>>
>>Basically my design that I have in my head is 9 or 10 1x4 cedar planks
>>secured to 2 1x3 cedar arms, with hinges on each arm. Nice
>>straightforward
>
> You keep saying hinges. I've only seen heavy duty eyes and hooks for
> hinges.

How would the shutter swing shut? They would have hooks on the ends to
attach them to the siding and each other, but wouldn't a hinge be necessary
to open and close them?

>
> Of course, your style of shutter has to go with your style of house.
>
>>simple design. An eyehook on the last plank would secure the shutter to
>>the
>>siding or each other when closed.
>>
>



Posted by mm on March 19, 2007, 12:21 am


On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:04:28 -0800, "Eigenvector"

>
>>>Basically my design that I have in my head is 9 or 10 1x4 cedar planks
>>>secured to 2 1x3 cedar arms, with hinges on each arm. Nice
>>>straightforward
>>
>> You keep saying hinges. I've only seen heavy duty eyes and hooks for
>> hinges.

"for hinges". They act as the hinge.

>How would the shutter swing shut? They would have hooks on the ends to
>attach them to the siding and each other, but wouldn't a hinge be necessary
>to open and close them?

The shutters I have seen have on each side two heavy duty eyes screwed
into the wall very near the window, and two heavy duty hooks (just the
hook, no second part to enable it to move) screwed into the edge of
the shutter. Or the eyes are on the shutters and there are posts on
the house. This enables one to easily remove the shutters entirely,
although I don't know how often that was done, or if it was done for
any reason other than painting them.

But there may be other hinge styles used. That's why I said to go look
at real shutters.

Yes, there are:
http://images.google.com/images?client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hl=en&q=shutter+hinge&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

And I've also seen hinges like these. Just forgot.

Posted by Bill in Detroit on March 23, 2007, 1:08 am


Eigenvector wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:16:49 -0800, "Eigenvector"
>>
>>> Right now my windows have those premade slatted window shutters that nail
>>> on
>>> to the siding. I hate the ones that are on there right now, they aren't
>>> proportional to the window size and attract wasp nests like magnets.
>> Why will real shutters attact fewer wasps?
>
> Yes I believe so. The slatted style gives those buggers a place to crawl
> into to hide behind. With fence style shutters the wasps would only have
> the sides to get into and making a nest would be a little less obvious. Of
> course I could be fooling myself here, after all I get wasp nests in my
> mailbox (bastards).
>

Drop a Shell No-Pest strip in there. Problem solved.

Is a drop down shutter a possibility? (Awning most of the time ...
shutter when needed.) Louvers on that style are exposed to flow-through
all the time ... not really as dry as wasps would prefer.

Bill

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him really know what he's talking about.

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Posted by Eigenvector on March 23, 2007, 9:07 pm



> Eigenvector wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:16:49 -0800, "Eigenvector"
>>>
>>>> Right now my windows have those premade slatted window shutters that
>>>> nail on
>>>> to the siding. I hate the ones that are on there right now, they
>>>> aren't
>>>> proportional to the window size and attract wasp nests like magnets.
>>> Why will real shutters attact fewer wasps?
>>
>> Yes I believe so. The slatted style gives those buggers a place to crawl
>> into to hide behind. With fence style shutters the wasps would only have
>> the sides to get into and making a nest would be a little less obvious.
>> Of course I could be fooling myself here, after all I get wasp nests in
>> my mailbox (bastards).
>>
>
> Drop a Shell No-Pest strip in there. Problem solved.
>
> Is a drop down shutter a possibility? (Awning most of the time ... shutter
> when needed.) Louvers on that style are exposed to flow-through all the
> time ... not really as dry as wasps would prefer.
>
> Bill
>
> --

An awning not a bad idea. It would keep out the sun in the Summer.
>
>



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