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Re: damp under kitchen sink and dishwasher Mash 08-05-2008
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Posted by Mash on August 5, 2008, 12:10 am


> The danger of mold is overblown. What most people see is mildew anyway.
> You can find "mold and mildew sealer" at the stoor. It seems to be a
> bleach solution that dries in place and leaves a coating.
>
I'm definitely going to look for some sort of sealer for the area.


> Figure out where the water is coming from before you put the new wood
> down. Everything needs to be good and dry before installing new
> materials. It's not unusual to find dampness where you did, but it's
> not normal, either. I bet you have a slow leak somewhere.

I can't seem to find where the water came from. I guess in the
dishwasher space it could have come from a leaky connection, I've
already disconnected the old dishwasher so I can't tell now. There
doesn't seem to be any leaks from the pipe for the water source for
the dishwasher.
Nothing seems to be leaking from the sink either. I just ran the
faucet for a few minutes and looked under the sink and didn't see
anything. I'm going to try again tomorrow. You're right, I really need
to try and figure out where that dampness came from.

> Advice:
> Continue the new wood into the dishwasher space. You don't want a lip
> that keeps you from getting the dishwasher out the next time it needs
> to be serviced.
>
Thanks Steve,
The flooring installer told me that when he installs the floors I
won't be able to get the dishwasher out. He claims if he runs wood
under the dishwasher there won't be enough clearance for the
dishwasher to fit, mind you he said all of this before I even had the
new washer. I think he's just trying to do as little as possible and
get out. I'm definitely going to try to either run the floor right
under the dishwasher or at least raise the dishwasher up on wood of
similar height. I don't want that thing stuck in there forever.
Thanks for the advice

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Posted by SteveBell on August 5, 2008, 12:25 am


Mash wrote:

> The flooring installer told me that when he installs the floors I
> won't be able to get the dishwasher out. He claims if he runs wood
> under the dishwasher there won't be enough clearance for the
> dishwasher to fit, mind you he said all of this before I even had the
> new washer. I think he's just trying to do as little as possible and
> get out. I'm definitely going to try to either run the floor right
> under the dishwasher or at least raise the dishwasher up on wood of
> similar height. I don't want that thing stuck in there forever.
> Thanks for the advice

He's not really being lazy; that's the normal floor installation
method. I just don't like the normal method. I'm do both dishwasher
repair and floor installation. Thinking ahead makes both possible.

Possibilities:
* Get a dishwasher that's short enough to fit. (I haven't checked to
see if they make them this way, but it's worth investigating.)
* The dishwasher feet are adjustable. Make them shorter.
* Trim 3/4" (or so) off the counter trim at the top. You might not
have counter trim....

How is he planning on getting the dishwasher *in* after the floor is
laid? Or have you already installed a new one?

--
Steve Bell
New Life Home Improvement
Arlington, TX

Posted by Mash on August 5, 2008, 11:33 am


> Possibilities:
> =A0* Get a dishwasher that's short enough to fit. (I haven't checked to
> see if they make them this way, but it's worth investigating.)

I looked around but didn't find anything shorter.

> =A0* The dishwasher feet are adjustable. Make them shorter.
> =A0* Trim 3/4" (or so) off the counter trim at the top. You might not
> have counter trim....
I'm going to try adjusting the feet, or maybe removing them if that
buys me anything. I don't
have counter trim.

> How is he planning on getting the dishwasher *in* after the floor is
> laid? Or have you already installed a new one?
I'm installing the dishwasher before he lays the new floors. So I'll
be able to tell today if I'll be able
to get it out after installing the floors.

Posted by cshenk on August 5, 2008, 11:57 am


"Mash" wrote

>> The danger of mold is overblown. What most people see is mildew anyway.
>> You can find "mold and mildew sealer" at the stoor. It seems to be a
>> bleach solution that dries in place and leaves a coating.

> I'm definitely going to look for some sort of sealer for the area.

Good and he's right. Unless you have especially sensitive to mold problems
(allergies etc) then unless you saw or smelled alot of mold, it's probabaly
not a problem.

>> Figure out where the water is coming from before you put the new wood

> I can't seem to find where the water came from. I guess in the
> dishwasher space it could have come from a leaky connection, I've

There are several ways to find a slow leak. While it's apt to have been
where the dishwasher was from the sounds of it, you can test the rest the
easy way.

Get a bottle of dark food coloring and a roll of white paper towels (or use
an old white sheet thats ready for the rag bag). Wipe the pipes down to
completely clean so no dirt comes back on a paper towel. Fill the sink
(both sides if a double) and dump the dye in. Let the water out after
lining the 'floor' with paper towels. Look for drips. They will be easy to
see from the dye. Wipe the pipes again carefully looking for any dye.
Check the trap and pipes again after about 15 mins (slow leaks may take a
little to show). If nothing, it was apt to have been the dishwasher or the
connector to the dishwasher which is now removed ;-)

> Thanks Steve,
> The flooring installer told me that when he installs the floors I
> won't be able to get the dishwasher out. He claims if he runs wood
> under the dishwasher there won't be enough clearance for the
> dishwasher to fit, mind you he said all of this before I even had the

Seems he's taking shortcuts? Perhaps not. Mine has a cabinet facing that
had to go when we replaced the old unit. Personally I'd rather have the
cabinet space back and use a portable dishwasher (the sort you just hook to
the sink faucets). I've had those before and they work well in the middle
to higher end models.

Congrats on the new house! I'm sure we will see more of you over the next 2
years ;-)



Posted by Mash on August 5, 2008, 1:27 pm


> "Mash" wrote
> There are several ways to find a slow leak. =A0While it's apt to have bee=
n
> where the dishwasher was from the sounds of it, you can test the rest the
> easy way.
>
> Get a bottle of dark food coloring and a roll of white paper towels (or u=
se
> an old white sheet thats ready for the rag bag). =A0Wipe the pipes down t=
o
> completely clean so no dirt comes back on a paper towel. =A0Fill the sink
> (both sides if a double) and dump the dye in. =A0Let the water out after
> lining the 'floor' with paper towels. =A0Look for drips. =A0They will be =
easy to
> see from the dye. =A0Wipe the pipes again carefully looking for any dye.
> Check the trap and pipes again after about 15 mins (slow leaks may take a
> little to show). =A0If nothing, it was apt to have been the dishwasher or=
the
> connector to the dishwasher which is now removed ;-)

That's great advice. Thanks.


> > Thanks Steve,
> > The flooring installer told me that when he installs the floors I
> > won't be able to get the dishwasher out. He claims if he runs wood
> > under the dishwasher there won't be enough clearance for the
> > dishwasher to fit, mind you he said all of this before I even had the
>
> Seems he's taking shortcuts? =A0Perhaps not. =A0Mine has a cabinet facing=
that
> had to go when we replaced the old unit. =A0Personally I'd rather have th=
e
> cabinet space back and use a portable dishwasher (the sort you just hook =
to
> the sink faucets). =A0I've had those before and they work well in the mid=
dle
> to higher end models.

A portable is a good option, I hadn't thought of that. See if the wife
goes for it:)

> Congrats on the new house! =A0I'm sure we will see more of you over the n=
ext 2
> years ;-)


Thanks, the house needs a bunch of work, so yes, you'll be seeing alot
of me .

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