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Re: dealing with a neighbor... Cheri 05-19-2008
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Posted by HeyBub on May 20, 2008, 12:30 pm
trader4@optonline.net wrote:
>> Cheri wrote:
>>> HeyBub wrote in message ...
>>
>>>> Why not? Same a building a fence - the neighbor is responsible for
>>>> half the cost (unless they demur) under the principle of unjust
>>>> enrichment. This is black-letter law.
>
> What nonsense. A neighbor is only responsible for half the cost of a
> fence if:
>
> 1 - It's placed right on the property line
>
> 2 - They agree to split the cost.
>
>
> Otherwise, if you put up a fence on your own property, you pay for
> it. And it has nothing to do with unjust enrichment, which
> typically applies to someone making an obvious math mistake on a bill
> or similar. And it surely doesn't apply to gutters on someone elses
> house either. Following that specious logic, I could do $50K worth
> of landscaping and then send part of the bill to a couple of
> neighbors, on the theory that it raised the value of their homes.
>

Nope. This is well settled in contract law.

"The doctrine of quasi-contract, also known as a contract implied in law, is
based primarily on the principle of unjust enrichment. Unlike a contract
implied in fact, a contract implied in law is imposed, or created, without
regard to the promise of the party to be bound. The duty which engenders a
quasi-contractual obligation is most often based upon the principle of
unjust enrichment. Unjust enrichment occurs where a benefit is conferred
upon a person in circumstances in which retention by him of that benefit
without paying its reasonable value would be unjust. Thus, quantum meruit
[reasonable value] is a remedy for the enforcement of a quasi-contractual
obligation.

"Courts generally recognize that the essential elements of quasi-contract or
contract implied in law are: (1) a benefit conferred upon the defendant by
the plaintiff; (2) appreciation by the defendant of the fact of such
benefit; and (3) acceptance and retention by the defendant of that benefit
under circumstances in which retention without payment would be inequitable.
The most significant requirement is that the enrichment to the defendant be
unjust, and that retention of the benefit be inequitable."

There are, of course, exceptions. "Assent by silence" governs. The party NOT
building the fence is obliged to voice an objection at the first notice of
fence building, else he is assumed to agree to the fence and its cost. The
construction must be reasonable. If the builder uses hand-hewn stone
imported from Belgium and topped with brass spires and gargoyles, the
non-builder may be responsible for only half of a barbed-wire fence, if
barbed-wire is the usual fencing material in the neighborhood. And so on.
There're a bunch of caveats when you get down in the weeds, but the
essential element remains the same.



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Posted by JoeSpareBedroom on May 20, 2008, 12:38 pm
> trader4@optonline.net wrote:
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>> HeyBub wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>>> Why not? Same a building a fence - the neighbor is responsible for
>>>>> half the cost (unless they demur) under the principle of unjust
>>>>> enrichment. This is black-letter law.
>>
>> What nonsense. A neighbor is only responsible for half the cost of a
>> fence if:
>>
>> 1 - It's placed right on the property line
>>
>> 2 - They agree to split the cost.
>>
>>
>> Otherwise, if you put up a fence on your own property, you pay for
>> it. And it has nothing to do with unjust enrichment, which
>> typically applies to someone making an obvious math mistake on a bill
>> or similar. And it surely doesn't apply to gutters on someone elses
>> house either. Following that specious logic, I could do $50K worth
>> of landscaping and then send part of the bill to a couple of
>> neighbors, on the theory that it raised the value of their homes.
>>
>
> Nope. This is well settled in contract law.
>
> "The doctrine of quasi-contract, also known as a contract implied in law,
> is based primarily on the principle of unjust enrichment. Unlike a
> contract implied in fact, a contract implied in law is imposed, or
> created, without regard to the promise of the party to be bound. The duty
> which engenders a quasi-contractual obligation is most often based upon
> the principle of unjust enrichment. Unjust enrichment occurs where a
> benefit is conferred upon a person in circumstances in which retention by
> him of that benefit without paying its reasonable value would be unjust.
> Thus, quantum meruit [reasonable value] is a remedy for the enforcement of
> a quasi-contractual obligation.
>
> "Courts generally recognize that the essential elements of quasi-contract
> or contract implied in law are: (1) a benefit conferred upon the defendant
> by the plaintiff; (2) appreciation by the defendant of the fact of such
> benefit; and (3) acceptance and retention by the defendant of that benefit
> under circumstances in which retention without payment would be
> inequitable. The most significant requirement is that the enrichment to
> the defendant be unjust, and that retention of the benefit be
> inequitable."
>
> There are, of course, exceptions. "Assent by silence" governs. The party
> NOT building the fence is obliged to voice an objection at the first
> notice of fence building, else he is assumed to agree to the fence and its
> cost. The construction must be reasonable. If the builder uses hand-hewn
> stone imported from Belgium and topped with brass spires and gargoyles,
> the non-builder may be responsible for only half of a barbed-wire fence,
> if barbed-wire is the usual fencing material in the neighborhood. And so
> on. There're a bunch of caveats when you get down in the weeds, but the
> essential element remains the same.
>
>


How odd that I've never gotten a bill from two neighbors who built fences
along our property lines. I'm quite certain that no matter what you've
posted above, our town justice would've kicked the neighbors' out of the
courtroom if they tried to get me to share the cost of their fences.



Posted by on May 20, 2008, 12:43 pm
On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:38:33 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"

>> trader4@optonline.net wrote:
>>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>> HeyBub wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>>>> Why not? Same a building a fence - the neighbor is responsible for
>>>>>> half the cost (unless they demur) under the principle of unjust
>>>>>> enrichment. This is black-letter law.
>>>
>>> What nonsense. A neighbor is only responsible for half the cost of a
>>> fence if:
>>>
>>> 1 - It's placed right on the property line
>>>
>>> 2 - They agree to split the cost.
>>>
>>>
>>> Otherwise, if you put up a fence on your own property, you pay for
>>> it. And it has nothing to do with unjust enrichment, which
>>> typically applies to someone making an obvious math mistake on a bill
>>> or similar. And it surely doesn't apply to gutters on someone elses
>>> house either. Following that specious logic, I could do $50K worth
>>> of landscaping and then send part of the bill to a couple of
>>> neighbors, on the theory that it raised the value of their homes.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. This is well settled in contract law.
>>
>> "The doctrine of quasi-contract, also known as a contract implied in law,
>> is based primarily on the principle of unjust enrichment. Unlike a
>> contract implied in fact, a contract implied in law is imposed, or
>> created, without regard to the promise of the party to be bound. The duty
>> which engenders a quasi-contractual obligation is most often based upon
>> the principle of unjust enrichment. Unjust enrichment occurs where a
>> benefit is conferred upon a person in circumstances in which retention by
>> him of that benefit without paying its reasonable value would be unjust.
>> Thus, quantum meruit [reasonable value] is a remedy for the enforcement of
>> a quasi-contractual obligation.
>>
>> "Courts generally recognize that the essential elements of quasi-contract
>> or contract implied in law are: (1) a benefit conferred upon the defendant
>> by the plaintiff; (2) appreciation by the defendant of the fact of such
>> benefit; and (3) acceptance and retention by the defendant of that benefit
>> under circumstances in which retention without payment would be
>> inequitable. The most significant requirement is that the enrichment to
>> the defendant be unjust, and that retention of the benefit be
>> inequitable."
>>
>> There are, of course, exceptions. "Assent by silence" governs. The party
>> NOT building the fence is obliged to voice an objection at the first
>> notice of fence building, else he is assumed to agree to the fence and its
>> cost. The construction must be reasonable. If the builder uses hand-hewn
>> stone imported from Belgium and topped with brass spires and gargoyles,
>> the non-builder may be responsible for only half of a barbed-wire fence,
>> if barbed-wire is the usual fencing material in the neighborhood. And so
>> on. There're a bunch of caveats when you get down in the weeds, but the
>> essential element remains the same.
>>
>>
>
>
>How odd that I've never gotten a bill from two neighbors who built fences
>along our property lines. I'm quite certain that no matter what you've
>posted above, our town justice would've kicked the neighbors' out of the
>courtroom if they tried to get me to share the cost of their fences.
>

The town was overjoyed that they were fencing you in, and probably
paid your half out of gratitude.



Posted by JoeSpareBedroom on May 20, 2008, 12:53 pm
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:38:33 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>
>>> trader4@optonline.net wrote:
>>>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>>> HeyBub wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not? Same a building a fence - the neighbor is responsible for
>>>>>>> half the cost (unless they demur) under the principle of unjust
>>>>>>> enrichment. This is black-letter law.
>>>>
>>>> What nonsense. A neighbor is only responsible for half the cost of a
>>>> fence if:
>>>>
>>>> 1 - It's placed right on the property line
>>>>
>>>> 2 - They agree to split the cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise, if you put up a fence on your own property, you pay for
>>>> it. And it has nothing to do with unjust enrichment, which
>>>> typically applies to someone making an obvious math mistake on a bill
>>>> or similar. And it surely doesn't apply to gutters on someone elses
>>>> house either. Following that specious logic, I could do $50K worth
>>>> of landscaping and then send part of the bill to a couple of
>>>> neighbors, on the theory that it raised the value of their homes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. This is well settled in contract law.
>>>
>>> "The doctrine of quasi-contract, also known as a contract implied in
>>> law,
>>> is based primarily on the principle of unjust enrichment. Unlike a
>>> contract implied in fact, a contract implied in law is imposed, or
>>> created, without regard to the promise of the party to be bound. The
>>> duty
>>> which engenders a quasi-contractual obligation is most often based upon
>>> the principle of unjust enrichment. Unjust enrichment occurs where a
>>> benefit is conferred upon a person in circumstances in which retention
>>> by
>>> him of that benefit without paying its reasonable value would be unjust.
>>> Thus, quantum meruit [reasonable value] is a remedy for the enforcement
>>> of
>>> a quasi-contractual obligation.
>>>
>>> "Courts generally recognize that the essential elements of
>>> quasi-contract
>>> or contract implied in law are: (1) a benefit conferred upon the
>>> defendant
>>> by the plaintiff; (2) appreciation by the defendant of the fact of such
>>> benefit; and (3) acceptance and retention by the defendant of that
>>> benefit
>>> under circumstances in which retention without payment would be
>>> inequitable. The most significant requirement is that the enrichment to
>>> the defendant be unjust, and that retention of the benefit be
>>> inequitable."
>>>
>>> There are, of course, exceptions. "Assent by silence" governs. The party
>>> NOT building the fence is obliged to voice an objection at the first
>>> notice of fence building, else he is assumed to agree to the fence and
>>> its
>>> cost. The construction must be reasonable. If the builder uses hand-hewn
>>> stone imported from Belgium and topped with brass spires and gargoyles,
>>> the non-builder may be responsible for only half of a barbed-wire fence,
>>> if barbed-wire is the usual fencing material in the neighborhood. And so
>>> on. There're a bunch of caveats when you get down in the weeds, but the
>>> essential element remains the same.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>How odd that I've never gotten a bill from two neighbors who built fences
>>along our property lines. I'm quite certain that no matter what you've
>>posted above, our town justice would've kicked the neighbors' out of the
>>courtroom if they tried to get me to share the cost of their fences.
>>
>
> The town was overjoyed that they were fencing you in, and probably
> paid your half out of gratitude.
>
>

Well, it kept one neighbor's canine trash beast out of my yard. So, the
fence was cheaper for the town than sending the dog non-catcher over twice a
week.



Posted by Mr.Spock on May 20, 2008, 7:21 pm

> trader4@optonline.net wrote:
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>> HeyBub wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>>> Why not? Same a building a fence - the neighbor is responsible for
>>>>> half the cost (unless they demur) under the principle of unjust
>>>>> enrichment. This is black-letter law.
>>
>> What nonsense. A neighbor is only responsible for half the cost of
>> a fence if:
>>
>> 1 - It's placed right on the property line
>>
>> 2 - They agree to split the cost.
>>
>>
>> Otherwise, if you put up a fence on your own property, you pay for
>> it. And it has nothing to do with unjust enrichment, which
>> typically applies to someone making an obvious math mistake on a bill
>> or similar. And it surely doesn't apply to gutters on someone elses
>> house either. Following that specious logic, I could do $50K worth
>> of landscaping and then send part of the bill to a couple of
>> neighbors, on the theory that it raised the value of their homes.
>>
>
> Nope. This is well settled in contract law.
>
> "The doctrine of quasi-contract, also known as a contract implied in
> law, is based primarily on the principle of unjust enrichment. Unlike
> a contract implied in fact, a contract implied in law is imposed, or
> created, without regard to the promise of the party to be bound. The
> duty which engenders a quasi-contractual obligation is most often
> based upon the principle of unjust enrichment. Unjust enrichment
> occurs where a benefit is conferred upon a person in circumstances in
> which retention by him of that benefit without paying its reasonable
> value would be unjust. Thus, quantum meruit [reasonable value] is a
> remedy for the enforcement of a quasi-contractual obligation.
>
> "Courts generally recognize that the essential elements of
> quasi-contract or contract implied in law are: (1) a benefit conferred
> upon the defendant by the plaintiff; (2) appreciation by the defendant
> of the fact of such benefit; and (3) acceptance and retention by the
> defendant of that benefit under circumstances in which retention
> without payment would be inequitable. The most significant requirement
> is that the enrichment to the defendant be unjust, and that retention
> of the benefit be inequitable."
>
> There are, of course, exceptions. "Assent by silence" governs. The
> party NOT building the fence is obliged to voice an objection at the
> first notice of fence building, else he is assumed to agree to the
> fence and its cost. The construction must be reasonable. If the
> builder uses hand-hewn stone imported from Belgium and topped with
> brass spires and gargoyles, the non-builder may be responsible for
> only half of a barbed-wire fence, if barbed-wire is the usual fencing
> material in the neighborhood. And so on. There're a bunch of caveats
> when you get down in the weeds, but the essential element remains the
> same.
>
>
>

In a "normal" town and not some flea bitten place, the code will have the
person erecting the fence to place the fence a few inches inside the
property line, so the entire fence is owned by the fence builder.

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