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Re: slab thickness ConcreteFinishing&StuccoGuy 06-14-2005
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Posted by John Willis on July 1, 2005, 11:08 am
scribbled this interesting note:

>Bob's got it right, the slab doesn't move unless something underneath
>it does. Preparation - drainage, compaction, etc. - is the key.

In our area, with the soil we have, it is impossible to "correctly
prepare" what is underneath the slab. The black, clay rich soil we
have expands and contracts so much, I remember, as a child, having
soccer games cancelled because the cracks in the hard-as-a-rock dirt
were so large a kid could have broken an ankle or leg!

In this area, post tensioned slabs always move and crack. Any slab
that is built to FHA minimum standards will crack. Those standards
must be exceeded by a fair margin to insure the slab stays where you
want it, as you want it.

I wish this area had soil that was easier to build on. Doing any kind
of digging around here is a major chore.


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John Willis
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Posted by Matt Whiting on June 30, 2005, 5:38 pm
Bob Morrison wrote:
> In a previous post Matt Whiting says...
>
>>>CF&SG is correct in that rebar and lower water content will improve
>>>structural performance. However, only the latter will have any effect
>>>on crack control.
>>
>>Yes, but rebar will help prevent problems is there is a soft spot in the
>>ground under the slab that settles a little. It can also prevent cracks
>>from opening up or shifting vertically.
>>
>>
>
>
> Matt:
>
> Quite true. However, I tell the contractors to spend their time and
> effort on subgrade preparation. It's easier to do than correctly
> placing rebar, and with the current price of steel may even be cheaper.
>
> A good unreinforced slab on properly prepared subgrade with adequate
> crack control should not have any problems.

Yes, unfortunately, a soft spot can go quite deep and be sizeable. It
may not even be noticed by most excavators. Unless you dig down 6' and
fill with gravel, it is hard to be sure that you won't have problems in
the future. This depends greatly, obviously, on location and soil type.
Here in PA, it isn't unusual to have challenging soil conditions. I
figure a few bucks worth of rebar is cheap insurance. You still want
proper preparation, however, I like suspenders with my belt for things
that are hard to fix later. And cured concrete that has cracked and
heaved an inch isn't cheap to fix.

Matt

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