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Remove and repair section of old kitchen wall Puddin' Man 11-26-2006
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Posted by Puddin' Man on November 26, 2006, 12:03 pm



'allo,

I belong to a little brick bungalow in the midwest, built in
'54, original kitchen.

I need to remove maybe 2 sq. feet of the wall to replace a
corroded drain pipe. Wall is ceramic tile in front of traditional
plaster on steel lath. After repair of drain, I need to repair
wall. Never worked with tile before.

How to do it?

It occurred to me that I *might* be able to cut thru both grout
and plaster/lath and remove a square without destroying the tile
(if I can come up with the right saw apparati). Might this be
practical? If so, how might one *replace* the removed square,
permanently mounting it back in the wall?

Or do I bark up the wrong tree? :-)

Any help/advice much appreciated.

Cheers,
Puddin'

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Posted by on November 26, 2006, 12:18 pm


ullo yaself !

If the tile is plain old white 4x4, this is a lot easier, if not...

If the tile is something that might be diffifult to match perfectly
then the key thing is to save the tile, and you won't do that by prying
it up. Everything else can be put back together, and the grout can be
matched. It's a messy job in ways.

Seems like you could use something like a Dremel to cut thru the grout
and then all the way thru the plaster and lathe, then remove the
section. Chip the plaster from the tiles. Fix the pipe. Then attach
drywall, shimming if necessary to build it up to be as thick as the
plaster. May have to build additional mini-framing onto the studs for
the 2x2 piece of drywall, so that it can attach to something. That is,
if you take out a 2x2 section and your studs are 16" apart as they
should be, that could leave you with an 8" section of drywall just
hanging there, so you'd have to jimmy rig something underneath.

Once the drywall is up, prime it (I think), then glue on the tiles,
then re-grout.

Viola!


Posted by Puddin' Man on November 26, 2006, 1:07 pm


On 26 Nov 2006 09:18:08 -0800, roger61611@yahoo.com wrote:

>ullo yaself !
>
>If the tile is plain old white 4x4, this is a lot easier, if not...

Plain white/cream, measure about 4 3/8 " square.

>If the tile is something that might be diffifult to match perfectly
>then the key thing is to save the tile, and you won't do that by prying
>it up. Everything else can be put back together, and the grout can be
>matched. It's a messy job in ways.
>
>Seems like you could use something like a Dremel to cut thru the grout
>and then all the way thru the plaster and lathe, then remove the
>section.

If Dremel's got a cutting wheel of the appropriate diameter,
and capable of going thru the steel lath.

>Chip the plaster from the tiles. Fix the pipe. Then attach
>drywall, shimming if necessary to build it up to be as thick as the
>plaster. May have to build additional mini-framing onto the studs for
>the 2x2 piece of drywall, so that it can attach to something. That is,
>if you take out a 2x2 section and your studs are 16" apart as they
>should be, that could leave you with an 8" section of drywall just
>hanging there, so you'd have to jimmy rig something underneath.

Definitely an important consideration.

I haven't spec'd the studs yet. 99% sure they are 16" centers.
Gotta estimate the pipe juncture, then map maybe 12" in each
direction if that'd catch the studs right ...

I cut wood, so shims shouldn't be a problem.

>Once the drywall is up, prime it (I think), then glue on the tiles,
>then re-grout.
>
>Viola!

This is helpful. Much thanks.

Puddin'

Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old ...

Posted by Oren on November 26, 2006, 1:29 pm


wrote:

>>Seems like you could use something like a Dremel to cut thru the grout
>>and then all the way thru the plaster and lathe, then remove the
>>section.
>
>If Dremel's got a cutting wheel of the appropriate diameter,
>and capable of going thru the steel lath.

A Dremel would not be my choice. A grinder as mentioned previously.
You could make a plastic tent in the immediate work area to contain
the dust. The grinder will make fast work of the lath, etc.

--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens
constantly."

Posted by Puddin' Man on November 26, 2006, 3:34 pm



>wrote:
>
>>>Seems like you could use something like a Dremel to cut thru the grout
>>>and then all the way thru the plaster and lathe, then remove the
>>>section.
>>
>>If Dremel's got a cutting wheel of the appropriate diameter,
>>and capable of going thru the steel lath.
>
>A Dremel would not be my choice. A grinder as mentioned previously.

Might be a bit much for my little $30 Dremel.

>You could make a plastic tent in the immediate work area to contain
>the dust.

Yeah, I've done that with concrete work before.

>The grinder will make fast work of the lath, etc.

Prolly lots of sparks. Fire extinguisher handy.

Thx,
P

Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding in the pot
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