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Posted by mm on March 24, 2007, 12:39 am
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:24:08 -0700, aspasia wrote:
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>Guys, the best way to show the steps is to show them.
>
>I have a couple of step pictures that would make everything clear, but
I have a step sister.
And I have a half picure and some full pictures.
>when I tried to find a binary picture site where to post, I have to
>admit I was a little shocked at what was out there.
>
>Anybody suggest a site where I can post the pictures, then
>post a message here directing you to site?
I'm sorry I haven't kept track when others have used them.
>tx
>
>Aspasia
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Posted by mm on March 25, 2007, 11:04 pm
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:10:51 -0700, aspasia wrote:
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:24:08 -0700, aspasia wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>Guys, the best way to show the steps is to show them.
>>>
>>>I have a couple of step pictures that would make everything clear
>
>[...]
>
>
>OK, I have posted two pictures of the side steps on
><alt.binaries.pictures.gardens> under the Subject
>"Side Steps".
OK, they're much bigger than I thought (yet not big enough to put an
intermediate step in like I did with pavers between my stoop and front
door.)
And there are two steps, not one, and the first step didn't sink wrt
the second as the other guy suggested and I thought.
And I guess there are only two risers, but isn't the distance from the
top step to the door sill an important distance too, and it seems as
high as the second riser.
And the first step is not shaped to make it that easy to layer wood on
it. And maybe a layer of cement wouldn't be any harder, but that
brings us back to my previous paragraph and the step from the top step
to the door sill.
A picture is truly worth a thousand words.
>Hope you will check out these pictures and give your
>input. So far, I only have one bid for wood steps and
>hand rail,which is fine with me. (see earlier in this thread).
And was that a reasonable price? Less than your grant? Including I
suppose removal of the first steps. Which I suppose requires breaking
them up first, a nothing job for someone who owns an electric jack
hammer, but more work for someone who has to rent one or do it some
other way.
>TIA for your advice.
Your bid might be fine. Is it for two steps or three? I don't have a
computer tape measure, but it seems like you need 3.
If one is shorter than the others, shouldn't it be the lowest step?
Or if it is custom made, will they be the same, even though that might
make each less than standard? People do standard height steps without
thinking.
I have maybe the least experience in many things of anyone here, but
on a good day I have ideas, some zany, and many questions. Here, I
wonder if you can buy a pre-fab 3step cement steps, and how much prep
has to be done to put it in place. And will it sink, when lighter
wooden steps won't. I would think that neither would sink, given that
your current steps have packed the earth down very well.
And what kind of nice railing could be built for prefab cement steps.
And I think wood will require painting every few years, but what bout
that "wood" from recycled plastic they use for decks these days. A
little more expensive but no maintenance required.
BTW, posts fall off binary newsgroups pretty quickly. Before my ISP
changed, it was only 1 or 2 days, I think. NOw they hired a service
to handle their news and went from keeping text posts 6 months to
several years, so it is probably more for binary too, but I don't know
how much. Or other isps.
I had in mind those websites where people post pictures of their
family etc. which apparently are free too, but I have no idea how long
they can stay there. I was looking at one yesterday, and pictures
were disappeaaring while I looked at it. It went from 6 down to 1! I
don't know if age was a reason or not.
So I don't know which are easier to use.
Also, if you get no answers, post again under a new thread with a
somewhat different thread name, so that things come out at the end.
Because this group gets so much traffic, this post was pretty high up
from the bottom, and often I don't see followups that are this far up.
With Agent and maybe other pprograms, even if you start a new thread
with the new thread button, if it is called by the same Subject, it
will thread together and I still will see it only way high up. I call
it the Psychology of Computers, when I try to figure out how programs
I have never used work with my email and news posts.
>Aspasia
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Posted by on March 26, 2007, 2:38 am
wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:10:51 -0700, aspasia wrote:
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:24:08 -0700, aspasia wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Guys, the best way to show the steps is to show them.
>>>>
>>>>I have a couple of step pictures that would make everything clear
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>
>>OK, I have posted two pictures of the side steps on
>><alt.binaries.pictures.gardens> under the Subject
>>"Side Steps".
>
>OK, they're much bigger than I thought (yet not big enough to put an
>intermediate step in like I did with pavers between my stoop and front
>door.)
>
>And there are two steps, not one, and the first step didn't sink wrt
>the second as the other guy suggested and I thought.
>
>And I guess there are only two risers, but isn't the distance from the
>top step to the door sill an important distance too, and it seems as
>high as the second riser.
Riser from top step to second step is 9". (It's only supposed to be
6".) Bottom riser is 6".
Also, I think there's supposed to be some kind of landing on top,
which I would like them to make, if I ever get the job done.
>
>And the first step is not shaped to make it that easy to layer wood on
>it. And maybe a layer of cement wouldn't be any harder, but that
>brings us back to my previous paragraph and the step from the top step
>to the door sill.
Yeah, I ran through all those possibilities, and nothing worked except
replace the whole thing.
>
>A picture is truly worth a thousand words.
>
>>Hope you will check out these pictures and give your
>>input. So far, I only have one bid for wood steps and
>>hand rail,which is fine with me. (see earlier in this thread).
>
>And was that a reasonable price? Less than your grant? Including I
>suppose removal of the first steps. Which I suppose requires breaking
>them up first, a nothing job for someone who owns an electric jack
>hammer, but more work for someone who has to rent one or do it some
>other way.
As I posted earlier, my grant was for $4000, and the only bid I
received was $625 over. I asked the City if they could up the grant;
am awaiting reply.
The only bidder hasn't replied to my follow-up query, so she must have
decided she's not interested.
*******That's why I originally posted on this NG -- asking where I
could look for a contractor/handman other than the Yellow Pages.*****
>
>>TIA for your advice.
>
>Your bid might be fine. Is it for two steps or three? I don't have a
>computer tape measure, but it seems like you need 3.
Most definitely.
>
>If one is shorter than the others, shouldn't it be the lowest step?
>Or if it is custom made, will they be the same, even though that might
>make each less than standard? People do standard height steps without
>thinking.
If custom made -- seems like the only option -- they should be the
same.
>
>I have maybe the least experience in many things of anyone here, but
>on a good day I have ideas, some zany, and many questions. Here, I
>wonder if you can buy a pre-fab 3step cement steps, and how much prep
>has to be done to put it in place.
I doubt strongly if such a thing exists!
And will it sink, when lighter wooden steps won't. I would think
that neither would sink, given that your current steps have packed the
earth down very well.
Agreed! After all these decades (I am the 2nd owner) it should be!
>
>And what kind of nice railing could be built for prefab cement steps.
>
>And I think wood will require painting every few years, but what bout
>that "wood" from recycled plastic they use for decks these days. A
>little more expensive but no maintenance required.
.
[...]
>Because this group gets so much traffic, this post was pretty high up
>from the bottom, and often I don't see followups that are this far up.
>With Agent and maybe other pprograms, even if you start a new thread
>with the new thread button, if it is called by the same Subject, it
>will thread together and I still will see it only way high up. I call
>it the Psychology of Computers, when I try to figure out how programs
>I have never used work with my email and news posts.
Do you receive your posts "threaded" by Subject, or by Date?
If by Date, mine should be near the top.
If "threaded", all you have to do is click on the + and it will
unthread the posts to that Subject.
Thanks for your interest and help.
aspasia
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Posted by mm on March 26, 2007, 10:56 pm
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:38:27 -0700, aspasia wrote:
>
>>And I guess there are only two risers, but isn't the distance from the
>>top step to the door sill an important distance too, and it seems as
>>high as the second riser.
>
>Riser from top step to second step is 9". (It's only supposed to be
>6".) Bottom riser is 6".
That you said before, but then there is an additional step up to the
door sill, and it looked like about 9 inches too.
6 + 9 + 9 = 24 / 3 = 8, so that might be okay.
Divided by 4 = 6 would be better if you say it's supposed to be
6 inches. (That's probably what I have too, but I can't remember
numbers well.)
So that would mean three steps before the sill instead of the two you
have now.
>>A picture is truly worth a thousand words.
>>
>>>Hope you will check out these pictures and give your
>>>input. So far, I only have one bid for wood steps and
>>>hand rail,which is fine with me. (see earlier in this thread).
I thought this was an additional bid since the thread started. The
guy is asking 4600 for WOOD steps!!!!! I rarely hire anyone to do
anything, but that strikes me as ridiculous to the absurd. Is he
making them out of ebony and teak?
>>And was that a reasonable price? Less than your grant? Including I
>>suppose removal of the first steps. Which I suppose requires breaking
>>them up first, a nothing job for someone who owns an electric jack
>>hammer, but more work for someone who has to rent one or do it some
>>other way.
>
>As I posted earlier, my grant was for $4000, and the only bid I
>received was $625 over. I asked the City if they could up the grant;
>am awaiting reply.
I don't think they should, but maybe they have a list of fairly priced
contractors and carpenters.
>The only bidder hasn't replied to my follow-up query, so she must have
>decided she's not interested.
>
>*******That's why I originally posted on this NG -- asking where I
>could look for a contractor/handman other than the Yellow Pages.*****
>
>>
>>>TIA for your advice.
>>
>>Your bid might be fine. Is it for two steps or three? I don't have a
>>computer tape measure, but it seems like you need 3.
>
>Most definitely.
OK, I hadn't read this far when I wrote what was above, but I don't
like to delete. :)
>>If one is shorter than the others, shouldn't it be the lowest step?
>>Or if it is custom made, will they be the same, even though that might
>>make each less than standard? People do standard height steps without
>>thinking.
>
>If custom made -- seems like the only option -- they should be the
>same.
>>
>>I have maybe the least experience in many things of anyone here, but
>>on a good day I have ideas, some zany, and many questions. Here, I
>>wonder if you can buy a pre-fab 3step cement steps, and how much prep
>>has to be done to put it in place.
>
>I doubt strongly if such a thing exists!
They certainly have 2-step prefab cement steps, and frankly I think
they have 3-step, but I said I wonder, to encourage others to reply.
With my news reader and the settings I use, this thread is very far up
and I have to hunt for it, but another guy said that with his
newsreader, all new posts come to the fore. But no one else is
posting on this thread but you and me, so I may violate some rule and
post this here and again at the bottom with a slightly different
thread name. Look for both.
BTW for me to do this, I can't just change the Subject and post. I
have to start a blank post and copy the text into it. Otherwise there
is hidden information (in the References header) that will keep the
posts in the same thread even if the Subject changes, if that switch
is on in Agent, and probably under some circumstances in other news
clients.
>
> And will it sink, when lighter wooden steps won't. I would think
>that neither would sink, given that your current steps have packed the
>earth down very well.
>
>Agreed! After all these decades (I am the 2nd owner) it should be!
>>
>>And what kind of nice railing could be built for prefab cement steps.
>>
>>And I think wood will require painting every few years, but what bout
>>that "wood" from recycled plastic they use for decks these days. A
>>little more expensive but no maintenance required.
>.
>[...]
>
>>Because this group gets so much traffic, this post was pretty high up
>>from the bottom, and often I don't see followups that are this far up.
>>With Agent and maybe other pprograms, even if you start a new thread
>>with the new thread button, if it is called by the same Subject, it
>>will thread together and I still will see it only way high up. I call
>>it the Psychology of Computers, when I try to figure out how programs
>>I have never used work with my email and news posts.
>
>Do you receive your posts "threaded" by Subject, or by Date?
The first post in every thread is in order by date, and the rest of
each thread follows immediately after the first. When I collapse all
the threads, I see only first posts and they are in order by date,
oldest first.
But I can change how long posts are kept, so when posts get old and
get deleted, that changes the first post in the thread and the whole
thread gets sorted to be further down. If a long time has gone by,
there can be a late-arriving post that shows up at the very bottom!
And I can Keep posts so they never disappear. And other features.
>
>If by Date, mine should be near the top.
Why do you say that? I probably keep posts longer than you do so for
me this thread is in the middle.
In other groups I save posts for 2 or 3 years. In this one because
there is so much traffic, and because I dl all the bodies, I can only
save about 2000 posts at a time, but for some reason the earliest
non=Kept post I have is about 16 days old. That would be only 100 and
something per day and we get more than that, so I don't get it, but
don't have time to figure it out now.
Because it's still sorted by the first post in the thread, this thread
is about in the middle.
>If "threaded", all you have to do is click on the + and it will
>unthread the posts to that Subject.
Yeah I know. I see you are using Agent also. I looked at version 2
but didn't like its appearance iirc. I like to keep all threads with
"unread" posts expanded.
>Thanks for your interest and help.
>
>aspasia
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Posted by on March 21, 2007, 3:30 pm
On 21 Mar 2007 04:42:46 -0700, AAllc.architects@gmail.com wrote:
>On Mar 21, 5:49 am, aspasia wrote:
>> This is So.Calif West LA area..
>>
>> I need two dangerous side steps replaced. They are concrete; go way
>> back before I bought the house. One is 9" high; the other is the
>> usual 6". That first step is awkward, even for a normal-sized person,
>> and I am very short. People have taken a dive on those steps.
>>
>> I have back back and had shoulder surgery. Can't risk a fall.
>>
>> The City has given me a grant for approx. $4k+ but I can't find a
>> contractor to do the job; called quite a few in the phone book.
>>
>> Is job that small that nobody is interested? Or? Somebody said they
>> don't like jobs where a City pays, but I tried to tell them that the
>> paperwork totally protects them; I've seen it.
>>
>> If any contractor in the area is interested, please post and tell me
>> where to contact you.
>>
>> Tx
>>
>> Aspasia
>
>I don't know why you haven't found someone interested in the job.
>It should be quick and straight forward - unless there is some
>condition you haven't mentioned.
No, my message was totally upfront. Maybe the area where
I live is too "affluent" for a small job? Wish I shared in the
"affluence"!
I don't know where else to research contractors, other than
the yellow pages.
**********Any suggestions VERY welcome.****************
>There are - in my area - precast steps.
>Perhaps wooden steps.
>
>Do you think the concrete has sunk into the ground or has the ground
>level changed?
No. There has always been a 3" difference between top step and bottom
step in the decades I have owned the house. It just didn't become an
issue until my accident/surgery/do not fall problems arose.
Who knows how/when/why these concrete steps were so
stupidly made?
>
>Steps, by code, should have a landing at door and have the same riser
>and tread dimensions consistently.
Right. No landing at door; dimensions inconsistent.
Aspasia
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