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Replacing Grout on bathroom walls Ferk 11-06-2007
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Posted by jthread on November 8, 2007, 6:17 am

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Whats the best way to get this grout out from the batroom wall tiles,
>>>>>> 1/8 joints and smaller in the other bathroom
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Got a Dremel tool? They make a tip specifically for that purpose.
>>>>> Check www.dremel.com to get the model number for the tip, so some
>>>>> teenager at the store doesn't try and give you the wrong thing. You'll
>>>>> also need a breather mask, safety goggles, and a 6-pack to complete
>>>>> the job. Maybe earplugs, unless you're already deaf from years of loud
>>>>> music.
>>>>>
>>>> oh boy that sounds like a fun job. better make it a case.
>>>>
>>>> be sure to use sealer in the replacement grout. mix 1/2 sealer and 1/2
>>>> water when you mix the grout.
>>>
>>> Right - just mix any sealer with water when mixing grout. And then see
>>> what kind of mess you end up with.
>>>
>>> Maybe first you should ask the grout and sealer manufacturers if they
>>> think this is a good idea.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>> uh dude_anybody who has worked with grout for any period of time knows
>> this. it's not exactly a secret.
>>
>> peace dude
>>
> Are you serious? Just mix ANY sealer with the grout?
>
> Anyone else ever hear of this?
>
> Bob
>
Ya know in retrospect that probably isn't the best advice. When I worked at
Color Tile, we told customers to mix the sealer with the grout but we knew
which products the customers were buying. When I retiled my bathroom the
tile manager at HomeDepot said he does (mix the sealer in) but HD instructs
them to tell the customers to follow the products instructions only. No
doubt due to lawsuits. If you contact the grout or sealer mfg I would
suspect they would tell you the same.

OTOH: I always mix the sealer in and the results are great. But I'm a brave
soul!

Jim



AppliancePartsPros.com, Inc.
Posted by Bob F on November 8, 2007, 6:04 pm


> Ya know in retrospect that probably isn't the best advice. When I worked at
> Color Tile, we told customers to mix the sealer with the grout but we knew
> which products the customers were buying. When I retiled my bathroom the tile
> manager at HomeDepot said he does (mix the sealer in) but HD instructs them to
> tell the customers to follow the products instructions only. No doubt due to
> lawsuits. If you contact the grout or sealer mfg I would suspect they would
> tell you the same.
>
> OTOH: I always mix the sealer in and the results are great. But I'm a brave
> soul!

What is the point of this? How does it affect the grout performance and life?
Where is it documented?

Bob



Posted by jthread on November 8, 2007, 6:56 pm

>
>
>> Ya know in retrospect that probably isn't the best advice. When I worked
>> at Color Tile, we told customers to mix the sealer with the grout but we
>> knew which products the customers were buying. When I retiled my bathroom
>> the tile manager at HomeDepot said he does (mix the sealer in) but HD
>> instructs them to tell the customers to follow the products instructions
>> only. No doubt due to lawsuits. If you contact the grout or sealer mfg I
>> would suspect they would tell you the same.
>>
>> OTOH: I always mix the sealer in and the results are great. But I'm a
>> brave soul!
>
> What is the point of this? How does it affect the grout performance and
> life? Where is it documented?
>
> Bob
>
>
There isn't any documentation as far as I know. This all came from my tenure
at Color Tile and talking to people in the business. In theory it makes the
tile easier to keep clean and keeps you from having to redo your sealer.
When I look for sealer I get a water base sealer. (which I should of
mentioned too) I wouldn't try oil based. After you posted your response I
went and checked my last grout job. I tried to chip it and it held up (see
you made me doubt my advice) BTW: Thanks for chiming in. It is irresponsible
to tell people to mix chemicals w/o knowing what they are mixing. I always
assume I'm talking to people that would back my claims up with a little
research of their own, and we all know about assumptions. All of my posts
should read "marginal advice, proceed at your own risk, IMO, YMMV etc...."

Of course, this is assuming also, the OP was using standard cement grout.
Not an epoxy grout or some special blend with hardeners in it.

If I was in doubt, "I" would try mixing a small batch to see how it hardens.
But I've used several brands of water based sealer and the results have
always been the same. Usually, I get the middle of road priced sealer at HD.

All ng advice is marginal IMO.

From now on I'm following HD's advice and tell people to stick to the mfg.
directions. It's not worth the risk.

Sorry for the confusion.

Jim



Posted by professorpaul on November 6, 2007, 2:48 pm
There is also a tool called a "grout saw," especially for this
purpose. Has little bits of what look like Carborundum or tungsten
carbide on the edge, with a small handle. If you slip with the Dremel
tool, you can easily damage the tile. The grout saw is pretty quick.
Any "big box" store, or a tile supply house. Forgot where I picked
mine up.


Posted by jthread on November 6, 2007, 2:59 pm

> There is also a tool called a "grout saw," especially for this
> purpose. Has little bits of what look like Carborundum or tungsten
> carbide on the edge, with a small handle. If you slip with the Dremel
> tool, you can easily damage the tile. The grout saw is pretty quick.
> Any "big box" store, or a tile supply house. Forgot where I picked
> mine up.
>
Yeah, but that drill bit would work on larger grout lines.

Homedepot has a grout saw where you can replace the blade when it wears out.



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