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Replacing deep well with a deeper well The Reverend Natural Light 07-25-2007
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Posted by The Reverend Natural Light on July 25, 2007, 4:52 pm
I'm thinking about having a new well drilled to replace my old muddy
well. The old one is 6" drilled with the pump at 70'. I think the
casing is cracked or something. It's almost 40 years old. Any way,
I'm tired of fighting it.

Driller says they'll put in a new one for about $2500, 275' deep, PVC
cased to 100' with 50' grout. Sounds like a good deal and the company
is well known in the area.

Questions:

1. I set the pump in the old well by myself. How much harder is it
going to be to set a pump that much deeper? The pump, 70' of plastic
pipe, and T handle was damn heavy, but manageable. When I've fed 250+
feet of pipe down the new hole, am I going to be in big trouble trying
to hold on?

2. Is 1" poly pipe and a normal pitless adapter suitable for the
load? Will PVC casing hold the pitless adapter?

3. The pump in the old well is almost new. Can I reuse it? No idea
what size it is. What's the norm for a well that deep? The head will
probably be about 75' away and 20' uphill from the house.

4. Is there a legal way to splice wire underground? The pipe and
wire to the house are new and I'd like to reuse them as much as
possible. It runs under a concrete patio.


Thanks!


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Posted by M Q on July 25, 2007, 6:37 pm


The Reverend Natural Light wrote:

> I'm thinking about having a new well drilled to replace my old muddy
> well. The old one is 6" drilled with the pump at 70'. I think the
> casing is cracked or something. It's almost 40 years old. Any way,
> I'm tired of fighting it.
>
> Driller says they'll put in a new one for about $2500, 275' deep, PVC
> cased to 100' with 50' grout. Sounds like a good deal and the company
> is well known in the area.
>
That sounds like a good price to me: less than $10/foot. You must
live in a different area than I do. I paid about $25/foot for
a similar depth well.

> Questions:
>
> 1. I set the pump in the old well by myself. How much harder is it
> going to be to set a pump that much deeper? The pump, 70' of plastic
> pipe, and T handle was damn heavy, but manageable. When I've fed 250+
> feet of pipe down the new hole, am I going to be in big trouble trying
> to hold on?
I think that you want to use some sort of winch. You are now
adding both an extra 200' of plastic and an extra 200' of copper
(real heavy). While you could construct the apparatus to do it
yourself, there are plenty of pump & well guys with just the appropriate
truck for that. Ask your driller for recommendations or check the yellow pages.
>
> 2. Is 1" poly pipe and a normal pitless adapter suitable for the
> load? Will PVC casing hold the pitless adapter?
Don't know -- I have 1" sched 80 for a 300' deep pump.
>
> 3. The pump in the old well is almost new. Can I reuse it? No idea
> what size it is. What's the norm for a well that deep? The head will
> probably be about 75' away and 20' uphill from the house.
Yes, you can reuse the pump. Because of the extra 200' of wire,
you may need to go to a larger gauge wire. The pump controller (starter
cap and relay) should have some specs on it. Also if it is almost
new, I assume that you must have documentation. When figuring wire size
you have to consider the entire distance from the breaker to the well
head and down to the pump.
>
> 4. Is there a legal way to splice wire underground? The pipe and
> wire to the house are new and I'd like to reuse them as much as
> possible. It runs under a concrete patio.
Yes, but only with appropriate materials and methods.
Also do the wire size calculations as mentioned above.
>
>
> Thanks!
>


Posted by The Reverend Natural Light on July 26, 2007, 5:39 pm
>
> That sounds like a good price to me: less than $10/foot. You must
> live in a different area than I do. I paid about $25/foot for
> a similar depth well.
>

Actually, it'll be a little more than I posted. The driller said
$2500 ballpark for a 275 foot, but when I itemize everything with
additional casing and grouting, it'll be about $3100 (dense
neighborhood with lots of drainfields - I want a lot of casing). It's
still not too bad a price.

>
> I think that you want to use some sort of winch. You are now
> adding both an extra 200' of plastic and an extra 200' of copper
> (real heavy). While you could construct the apparatus to do it
> yourself, there are plenty of pump & well guys with just the appropriate
> truck for that. Ask your driller for recommendations or check the yellow
pages.
>

I hadn't thought about the wire. That alone will be a lot of weight.
I could build a frame to sit over the well with a truck wheel or
something as a roller, then attach the free end of the pipe to my jeep
and lower it that way. Probably safer. I'd hire a pro, but the
drilling and parts alone are about all I can afford for this and I
enjoy working on things. If it takes a week to weld up a rig to hold
the pipe then it'll be fun.

>
> Don't know -- I have 1" sched 80 for a 300' deep pump.
>

PVC or the flexible stuff (polyethylene?) ?

>
> Yes, you can reuse the pump. Because of the extra 200' of wire,
> you may need to go to a larger gauge wire. The pump controller (starter
> cap and relay) should have some specs on it. Also if it is almost
> new, I assume that you must have documentation. When figuring wire size
> you have to consider the entire distance from the breaker to the well
> head and down to the pump.
>

The pump, tank, switch, pipes, and wires were all replaced just before
I bought the place. Unfortunately, I don't have any documentation.
The wire to the existing pump is 10 gauge three conductor, although
only two conductors are used. Depending on where the health
department tells me to drill, there'll be 250 feet more pipe and wire
than before.



Thanks for the advice!




Posted by on July 27, 2007, 7:21 am
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:39:34 -0700, The Reverend Natural Light

>enjoy working on things. If it takes a week to weld up a rig to hold
>the pipe then it'll be fun.

Get an old kids swing set frame. Of course I mean a solid steel pipe
frame, not the new cheap ones.

They used to make a clamp that would go around the steel pipes so you
could lower or raise the pipe, stop to reconnect a winch cable, and
continue on, but I dont know if that sort of thing would work with
plastic pipe. Of it does, you can use a skid loader or tractor with a
loader, but you only move the pipe about 10 feet at a time, then clamp
the pipe and move the cable to another place. I saw a guy doing this
once, but he had steel pipe. (just think how much 275 feet or steel
pipe weighs ....


Posted by M Q on July 27, 2007, 11:13 am
The Reverend Natural Light wrote:

..

>>Don't know -- I have 1" sched 80 for a 300' deep pump.
>>
>
>
> PVC or the flexible stuff (polyethylene?) ?
>

PVC -- 20' sections. Installed by one of those "pump guys"
with those trucks. The winch had a high point that was more than 20'
above the ground. The end of the winch cable had a swivel
union on something with 1" MPT that could thread into the
end of the pipe. He had a flat piece of steel that would go
over the well casing and had a slot in it that would go over the
pipe, but not the coupling at the end of the pipe.


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