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Retaining Wall lanman 04-16-2008
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Posted by lanman on April 16, 2008, 3:04 pm
I have a property on a corner lot which has a perimeter on two
street-facing sides of more than 300 feet. The lawns on these two
sides slope down to sidewalks on a steep enough angle that it makes
lawn mowing and erosion a problem.

I would like to build a small retaining wall, and I am looking for
suggestions on how to keep the cost reasonable. One contractor gave me
a price of $40K for a 3 foot wall using natural field stone. I'm
hoping I can get something attractive for less. I don't particularly
like the look of manufactures blocks. I have seen some decorative
poured concrete which looks pretty good driving by at 25 mph.

Any ideas/suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks....


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Posted by John Gilmer on April 16, 2008, 4:20 pm
To a fair approximation, you have about 1,000 sq ft of "wall" you want
built. Your contractor has quoted a price of about $40/sq ft.

That seems a bit on the high side.

First step is to find the cost drivers. Possibilities are: 1)
contractor greed in his hoping you don't get other bids; 2) cost of
materials; 3) basic cost of installation.

Frankly, I would take a second look at those stackable concrete blocks.
The material cost for the wall itself (the foundation/base would be extra)
would be on the order of $4k. They "come in colors" and you can mix and
match to create either a patern or a "random" look.



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Posted by dpb on April 16, 2008, 4:59 pm
John Gilmer wrote:
> To a fair approximation, you have about 1,000 sq ft of "wall" you want
> built. Your contractor has quoted a price of about $40/sq ft.
>
> That seems a bit on the high side.
>
> First step is to find the cost drivers. Possibilities are: 1)
> contractor greed in his hoping you don't get other bids; 2) cost of
> materials; 3) basic cost of installation.
>
...

The likely problem here is 2) -- a real fieldstone is likely pretty
pricey compared to some options.

One thing you might look at is the "fake stone" veneer--there is some of
it now that looks just pretty doggone good and is a significant cost
factor cheaper and easier to install as well which will translate into
lower labor costs.

Again, a block wall w/ the veneer should be cheaper, too...

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Posted by matt.inked on April 16, 2008, 4:45 pm
A concrete block wall should be less expensive than a concrete wall.
You could put a stone or stucco veneer on the concrete wall to make it
look better. Both concrete and a concrete block wall needs a concrete
footing. The concrete block wall will need to be reinforced with
rebar and those cells filled with grout (a fluid concrete).

The segmental block wall (the manufactured look you don't like) is
probably going to be the cheapest. It doesn't require a concrete
footing, but only a 4" to 6" base of crush and run stone. There are
companies out there that make (in my opinion) a very attractive
segmental block... some of the blocks are tumble to look like natural
stone. A 3 foot tall wall shouldn't require geogrid reinforcement,
but segmental block walls are proprietary products that have there own
earth reinforcing requirements.

No matter what type of wall you decide to build, make sure you provide
adequate drainage behind the wall (ie. layer of #57 stone behind wall
with french drain, or weep holes, etc.). Also, make sure the backfill
is compacted. Uncompacted fill with rain can can overload a wall and
make it fall...I have seen this before.

Posted by EXT on April 16, 2008, 7:28 pm

>A concrete block wall should be less expensive than a concrete wall.
> You could put a stone or stucco veneer on the concrete wall to make it
> look better. Both concrete and a concrete block wall needs a concrete
> footing. The concrete block wall will need to be reinforced with
> rebar and those cells filled with grout (a fluid concrete).
>
> The segmental block wall (the manufactured look you don't like) is
> probably going to be the cheapest. It doesn't require a concrete
> footing, but only a 4" to 6" base of crush and run stone. There are
> companies out there that make (in my opinion) a very attractive
> segmental block... some of the blocks are tumble to look like natural
> stone. A 3 foot tall wall shouldn't require geogrid reinforcement,
> but segmental block walls are proprietary products that have there own
> earth reinforcing requirements.
>
> No matter what type of wall you decide to build, make sure you provide
> adequate drainage behind the wall (ie. layer of #57 stone behind wall
> with french drain, or weep holes, etc.). Also, make sure the backfill
> is compacted. Uncompacted fill with rain can can overload a wall and
> make it fall...I have seen this before.

And separate all gravel in the stone footing and the gravel back fill from
the dirt with textile landscaping type cloth.



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