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Rewiring A 3-way Switched Outlet DerbyDad03 01-28-2008
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Posted by DerbyDad03 on January 28, 2008, 12:35 pm
I have a 1950's house with an outlet in the living room that is
controlled by two 3-way switches. I would like to make this outlet
"always hot".

Here's the setup:

One 3-way switch for the outlet is housed in a triple-wide box with
two other 3 switches that control the 1st & 2nd floor landing lights.
The other 3-way switch is housed in a double wide box with a SPST for
a kitchen light.

The outlet (1st floor), the kitchen light (1st floor) and the 2nd
floor landing light are on one circuit. The 1st floor landing light is
on a different circuit (a 2nd floor circuit). Both of these circuits
share one neutral.

I know how the 3-way switches are wired, so I know I could simply move
some wires between terminals to make the outlet always hot, (which I
won't do!) but I'd really like to know the "proper" way to do it.
i.e. eliminate the switches for the outlet, patch the wall, replace
the switch plates, etc. Is it proper to retain the existing 3-way
switch wiring and make wirenut connections inside the switch boxes and
then cover a portion of the box and install smaller switch plates or
do I need to pull new wires, replace the boxes, etc?

I'm thinking that wirenut connections, along with the shared neutral,
would make this really confusing for whoever comes along next and
tries to figure out the wiring for these devices.

Thanks!

Posted by Terry on January 28, 2008, 1:05 pm
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:35:28 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03

>I have a 1950's house with an outlet in the living room that is
>controlled by two 3-way switches. I would like to make this outlet
>"always hot".
>

>Here's the setup:
>
>One 3-way switch for the outlet is housed in a triple-wide box with
>two other 3 switches that control the 1st & 2nd floor landing lights.
>The other 3-way switch is housed in a double wide box with a SPST for
>a kitchen light.
>
>The outlet (1st floor), the kitchen light (1st floor) and the 2nd
>floor landing light are on one circuit. The 1st floor landing light is
>on a different circuit (a 2nd floor circuit). Both of these circuits
>share one neutral.
>
>I know how the 3-way switches are wired, so I know I could simply move
>some wires between terminals to make the outlet always hot, (which I
>won't do!) but I'd really like to know the "proper" way to do it.
>i.e. eliminate the switches for the outlet, patch the wall, replace
>the switch plates, etc. Is it proper to retain the existing 3-way
>switch wiring and make wirenut connections inside the switch boxes and
>then cover a portion of the box and install smaller switch plates or
>do I need to pull new wires, replace the boxes, etc?
>
>I'm thinking that wirenut connections, along with the shared neutral,
>would make this really confusing for whoever comes along next and
>tries to figure out the wiring for these devices.
>
>Thanks!

I would take the switches loose and wire nut all 3 wires together in
the box and blank the opening. If you are really worried about the
next guy, just take a piece of masking tape and mark "old 3-way to
receptacle"


Posted by Terry on January 28, 2008, 3:35 pm
wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:35:28 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>
>>I have a 1950's house with an outlet in the living room that is
>>controlled by two 3-way switches. I would like to make this outlet
>>"always hot".
>>
>
>>Here's the setup:
>>
>>One 3-way switch for the outlet is housed in a triple-wide box with
>>two other 3 switches that control the 1st & 2nd floor landing lights.
>>The other 3-way switch is housed in a double wide box with a SPST for
>>a kitchen light.
>>
>>The outlet (1st floor), the kitchen light (1st floor) and the 2nd
>>floor landing light are on one circuit. The 1st floor landing light is
>>on a different circuit (a 2nd floor circuit). Both of these circuits
>>share one neutral.
>>
>>I know how the 3-way switches are wired, so I know I could simply move
>>some wires between terminals to make the outlet always hot, (which I
>>won't do!) but I'd really like to know the "proper" way to do it.
>>i.e. eliminate the switches for the outlet, patch the wall, replace
>>the switch plates, etc. Is it proper to retain the existing 3-way
>>switch wiring and make wirenut connections inside the switch boxes and
>>then cover a portion of the box and install smaller switch plates or
>>do I need to pull new wires, replace the boxes, etc?
>>
>>I'm thinking that wirenut connections, along with the shared neutral,
>>would make this really confusing for whoever comes along next and
>>tries to figure out the wiring for these devices.
>>
>>Thanks!
>
>I would take the switches loose and wire nut all 3 wires together in
>the box and blank the opening. If you are really worried about the
>next guy, just take a piece of masking tape and mark "old 3-way to
>receptacle"


You should also take note of which wire is connected to the black
terminal of the 3-ways and put a piece of black tape around them.


Posted by hallerb@aol.com on January 28, 2008, 4:02 pm
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:35:28 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>
> >>I have a 1950's house with an outlet in the living room that is
> >>controlled by two 3-way switches. =EF=BF=BDI would like to make this out=
let
> >>"always hot".
>
> >>Here's the setup:
>
> >>One 3-way switch for the outlet is housed in a triple-wide box with
> >>two other 3 switches that control the 1st & 2nd floor landing lights.
> >>The other 3-way switch is housed in a double wide box with a SPST for
> >>a kitchen light.
>
> >>The outlet (1st floor), the kitchen light (1st floor) and the 2nd
> >>floor landing light are on one circuit. The 1st floor landing light is
> >>on a different circuit (a 2nd floor circuit). Both of these circuits
> >>share one neutral.
>
> >>I know how the 3-way switches are wired, so I know I could simply move
> >>some wires between terminals to make the outlet always hot, (which I
> >>won't do!) =EF=BF=BDbut I'd really like to know the "proper" way to do i=
t.
> >>i.e. eliminate the switches for the outlet, patch the wall, replace
> >>the switch plates, etc. Is it proper to retain the existing 3-way
> >>switch wiring and make wirenut connections inside the switch boxes and
> >>then cover a portion of the box and install smaller switch plates or
> >>do I need to pull new wires, replace the boxes, etc?
>
> >>I'm thinking that wirenut connections, along with the shared neutral,
> >>would make this really confusing for whoever comes along next and
> >>tries to figure out the wiring for these devices.
>
> >>Thanks!
>
> >I would take the switches loose and wire nut all 3 wires together in
> >the box and blank the opening. =EF=BF=BDIf you are really worried about t=
he
> >next guy, just take a piece of masking tape and mark "old 3-way to
> >receptacle"
>
> You should also take note of which wire is connected to the black
> terminal of the 3-ways and put a piece of black tape around them.- Hide qu=
oted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I wou;d leave the outlewt as is controlled by the 3 way switches, as a
future owner might find it useful.

then either install some lock plates that will lock the switches
always on or better yet, just install a regular always on outlet and
box around that location, its not hard and can be very useful. power
from a convenient place like a outlet nearby thats always on.

the lock plates are clear plastic pieces that cost under a buck a
piece and just prevent the switch from being moved without a
screwdriver

either of these is far better than changing whats there

Posted by HeyBub on January 28, 2008, 5:57 pm
DerbyDad03 wrote:
> I have a 1950's house with an outlet in the living room that is
> controlled by two 3-way switches. I would like to make this outlet
> "always hot".
>
> Here's the setup:
>
> One 3-way switch for the outlet is housed in a triple-wide box with
> two other 3 switches that control the 1st & 2nd floor landing lights.
> The other 3-way switch is housed in a double wide box with a SPST for
> a kitchen light.
>
> The outlet (1st floor), the kitchen light (1st floor) and the 2nd
> floor landing light are on one circuit. The 1st floor landing light is
> on a different circuit (a 2nd floor circuit). Both of these circuits
> share one neutral.
>
> I know how the 3-way switches are wired, so I know I could simply move
> some wires between terminals to make the outlet always hot, (which I
> won't do!) but I'd really like to know the "proper" way to do it.
> i.e. eliminate the switches for the outlet, patch the wall, replace
> the switch plates, etc. Is it proper to retain the existing 3-way
> switch wiring and make wirenut connections inside the switch boxes and
> then cover a portion of the box and install smaller switch plates or
> do I need to pull new wires, replace the boxes, etc?
>
> I'm thinking that wirenut connections, along with the shared neutral,
> would make this really confusing for whoever comes along next and
> tries to figure out the wiring for these devices.
>

Are you SURE both outlets are switched? Sometimes only half of a duplex
outlet is switched for just the reasons you outline.



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