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Rewiring A 3-way Switched Outlet DerbyDad03 01-28-2008
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Posted by DerbyDad03 on January 28, 2008, 7:49 pm
> DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > I have a 1950's house with an outlet in the living room that is
> > controlled by two 3-way switches. =A0I would like to make this outlet
> > "always hot".
>
> > Here's the setup:
>
> > One 3-way switch for the outlet is housed in a triple-wide box with
> > two other 3 switches that control the 1st & 2nd floor landing lights.
> > The other 3-way switch is housed in a double wide box with a SPST for
> > a kitchen light.
>
> > The outlet (1st floor), the kitchen light (1st floor) and the 2nd
> > floor landing light are on one circuit. The 1st floor landing light is
> > on a different circuit (a 2nd floor circuit). Both of these circuits
> > share one neutral.
>
> > I know how the 3-way switches are wired, so I know I could simply move
> > some wires between terminals to make the outlet always hot, (which I
> > won't do!) =A0but I'd really like to know the "proper" way to do it.
> > i.e. eliminate the switches for the outlet, patch the wall, replace
> > the switch plates, etc. Is it proper to retain the existing 3-way
> > switch wiring and make wirenut connections inside the switch boxes and
> > then cover a portion of the box and install smaller switch plates or
> > do I need to pull new wires, replace the boxes, etc?
>
> > I'm thinking that wirenut connections, along with the shared neutral,
> > would make this really confusing for whoever comes along next and
> > tries to figure out the wiring for these devices.
>
> Are you SURE both outlets are switched? Sometimes only half of a duplex
> outlet is switched for just the reasons you outline.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes..Both outlets are switched...same as all the other switched
outlets in the house.

Posted by HeyBub on January 28, 2008, 10:22 pm
DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>> Are you SURE both outlets are switched? Sometimes only half of a
>> duplex outlet is switched for just the reasons you outline.- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes..Both outlets are switched...same as all the other switched
> outlets in the house.

But are you sure, pretty sure, or REALLY sure? These things can be
confusing...



Posted by Don Young on January 28, 2008, 10:27 pm

>I have a 1950's house with an outlet in the living room that is
> controlled by two 3-way switches. I would like to make this outlet
> "always hot".
>
> Here's the setup:
>
> One 3-way switch for the outlet is housed in a triple-wide box with
> two other 3 switches that control the 1st & 2nd floor landing lights.
> The other 3-way switch is housed in a double wide box with a SPST for
> a kitchen light.
>
> The outlet (1st floor), the kitchen light (1st floor) and the 2nd
> floor landing light are on one circuit. The 1st floor landing light is
> on a different circuit (a 2nd floor circuit). Both of these circuits
> share one neutral.
>
> I know how the 3-way switches are wired, so I know I could simply move
> some wires between terminals to make the outlet always hot, (which I
> won't do!) but I'd really like to know the "proper" way to do it.
> i.e. eliminate the switches for the outlet, patch the wall, replace
> the switch plates, etc. Is it proper to retain the existing 3-way
> switch wiring and make wirenut connections inside the switch boxes and
> then cover a portion of the box and install smaller switch plates or
> do I need to pull new wires, replace the boxes, etc?
>
> I'm thinking that wirenut connections, along with the shared neutral,
> would make this really confusing for whoever comes along next and
> tries to figure out the wiring for these devices.
>
> Thanks!
What the codes will not allow is for you to make any connections
inaccessible. So you cannot cover one section of the box unless you can get
all of the connections into the other sections. Wirenut connections in the
box are allowed. I would leave the inoperable switch as is and return the
wiring to original when moving out.

I suppose you have figured out the cable routing and are sure there is no
permanently hot wire in the receptacle box so you could split the receptacle
and have only one side switched.

Don Young


Don Young



Posted by hallerb@aol.com on January 29, 2008, 8:48 am
>
>
>
>
> >I have a 1950's house with an outlet in the living room that is
> > controlled by two 3-way switches. =EF=BF=BDI would like to make this out=
let
> > "always hot".
>
> > Here's the setup:
>
> > One 3-way switch for the outlet is housed in a triple-wide box with
> > two other 3 switches that control the 1st & 2nd floor landing lights.
> > The other 3-way switch is housed in a double wide box with a SPST for
> > a kitchen light.
>
> > The outlet (1st floor), the kitchen light (1st floor) and the 2nd
> > floor landing light are on one circuit. The 1st floor landing light is
> > on a different circuit (a 2nd floor circuit). Both of these circuits
> > share one neutral.
>
> > I know how the 3-way switches are wired, so I know I could simply move
> > some wires between terminals to make the outlet always hot, (which I
> > won't do!) =EF=BF=BDbut I'd really like to know the "proper" way to do i=
t.
> > i.e. eliminate the switches for the outlet, patch the wall, replace
> > the switch plates, etc. Is it proper to retain the existing 3-way
> > switch wiring and make wirenut connections inside the switch boxes and
> > then cover a portion of the box and install smaller switch plates or
> > do I need to pull new wires, replace the boxes, etc?
>
> > I'm thinking that wirenut connections, along with the shared neutral,
> > would make this really confusing for whoever comes along next and
> > tries to figure out the wiring for these devices.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> What the codes will not allow is for you to make any connections
> inaccessible. So you cannot cover one section of the box unless you can ge=
t
> all of the connections into the other sections. Wirenut connections in the=

> box are allowed. I would leave the inoperable switch as is and return the
> wiring to original when moving out.
>
> I suppose you have figured out the cable routing and are sure there is no
> permanently hot wire in the receptacle box so you could split the receptac=
le
> and have only one side switched.
>
> Don Young
>
> Don Young- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

geez 3 clear plastic switch locks under 3 bucks held in place with the
existing cover screw, will fix this in minutes, and leave the circuit
in place for the next owner who might like it.........

you have way too much idle time. no offense, but i am too busy for
projects like this, and prefer to leave features functional whenever
possible

Posted by HeyBub on January 29, 2008, 12:42 pm
hallerb@aol.com wrote:
>
> geez 3 clear plastic switch locks under 3 bucks held in place with the
> existing cover screw, will fix this in minutes, and leave the circuit
> in place for the next owner who might like it.........

Duct tape works, too.



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