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Rewiring a Hardwired Smoke Detector WITH THE POWER ON gobofraggle 04-01-2008
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Posted by on April 1, 2008, 6:32 pm
I have a hardwired smoke detector that is old and outdated, that I'd
like to switch with a new unit. The only problem is that I can't
shut
off the power to the alarm before I disconnect it and reconnect the
new one. I'm going to have to do the take-down and installation
while
the power is LIVE.

I live in a high-rise apartment building and the smoke detector is
powered not by my unit's individual power, but off of a line brought
in from a common hallway. There is no way to cut power to the smoke
detector without cutting power to all the lights in the common
hallway, which is impossible.


So, how can I safely (or as safely as possible) change this detector
with a new one? If I don't touch certain wires together, will I be
OK? What are the chances I would get shocked?


I know your first inclination will be to tell me to get the circuit
turned off or call an electrician, but please (at least
hypothetically) assume that neither of those options are possible.

Posted by ransley on April 1, 2008, 6:54 pm
On Apr 1, 5:32=A0pm, gobofrag...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a hardwired smoke detector that is old and outdated, that I'd
> like to switch with a new unit. =A0The only problem is that I can't
> shut
> off the power to the alarm before I disconnect it and reconnect the
> new one. =A0I'm going to have to do the take-down and installation
> while
> the power is LIVE.
>
> I live in a high-rise apartment building and the smoke detector is
> powered not by my unit's individual power, but off of a line brought
> in from a common hallway. =A0There is no way to cut power to the smoke
> detector without cutting power to all the lights in the common
> hallway, which is impossible.
>
> So, how can I safely (or as safely as possible) change this detector
> with a new one? =A0If I don't touch certain wires together, will I be
> OK? =A0What are the chances I would get shocked?
>
> I know your first inclination will be to tell me to get the circuit
> turned off or call an electrician, but please (at least
> hypothetically) assume that neither of those options are possible.

When I wire with power on I carefully remove wire nuts or screws with
a rubber insulated screwdriver and carefully rewire it, but if its a
building unit why bother it probably works, test it, I cant believe it
will set off others, but maybe call the manager. Gee, Free electric is
what I see from the building, or maybe you know that, but you will get
caught eventualy.

Posted by Mikepier on April 1, 2008, 6:59 pm
On Apr 1, 6:32=A0pm, gobofrag...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a hardwired smoke detector that is old and outdated, that I'd
> like to switch with a new unit. =A0The only problem is that I can't
> shut
> off the power to the alarm before I disconnect it and reconnect the
> new one. =A0I'm going to have to do the take-down and installation
> while
> the power is LIVE.
>
> I live in a high-rise apartment building and the smoke detector is
> powered not by my unit's individual power, but off of a line brought
> in from a common hallway. =A0There is no way to cut power to the smoke
> detector without cutting power to all the lights in the common
> hallway, which is impossible.
>
> So, how can I safely (or as safely as possible) change this detector
> with a new one? =A0If I don't touch certain wires together, will I be
> OK? =A0What are the chances I would get shocked?
>
> I know your first inclination will be to tell me to get the circuit
> turned off or call an electrician, but please (at least
> hypothetically) assume that neither of those options are possible.

Most of those 110V smoke detectors have a quick-disconnect plastic
connector that you should be able to work with while the power is
live. You would have to open up the detector and see if it does have
one of those connectors. And plus you would have to make sure the new
detector has a similiar connector. Usually they are interchangeable.
If the old unit is hardwired with no connector, I would try to cut the
power before working on it.

Posted by Colbyt on April 1, 2008, 6:59 pm

>I have a hardwired smoke detector that is old and outdated, that I'd
> like to switch with a new unit. The only problem is that I can't
> shut
> off the power to the alarm before I disconnect it and reconnect the
> new one. I'm going to have to do the take-down and installation
> while
> the power is LIVE.
>
> I live in a high-rise apartment building and the smoke detector is
> powered not by my unit's individual power, but off of a line brought
> in from a common hallway. There is no way to cut power to the smoke
> detector without cutting power to all the lights in the common
> hallway, which is impossible.
>
>
> So, how can I safely (or as safely as possible) change this detector
> with a new one? If I don't touch certain wires together, will I be
> OK? What are the chances I would get shocked?
>
>
> I know your first inclination will be to tell me to get the circuit
> turned off or call an electrician, but please (at least
> hypothetically) assume that neither of those options are possible.



I answer the questions without making judgments.

Hypothetically speaking, there is no way to get shocked or damage anything
if you work with one wire at a time and do not ground yourself while
touching the bare part of the hot (usually black or red) wire.

If I were to do something like this I would do the bare or green wire first,
the white wire second and the hot wire last. Once I had all the wires
connected to the new modular plug, I would plug it in and test it before
attached it to the box.

Note there may be an inter-connection wire (usually yellow that must also be
connected. This has no juice and can be done at any time.

Also the base plate may need to be changed even if it is the same brand.


--
Colbyt
Please come visit www.househomerepair.com




Posted by Mark H on April 3, 2008, 4:06 pm

>
>>I have a hardwired smoke detector that is old and outdated, that I'd
>> like to switch with a new unit. The only problem is that I can't
>> shut
>> off the power to the alarm before I disconnect it and reconnect the
>> new one. I'm going to have to do the take-down and installation
>> while
>> the power is LIVE.
>>
>> I live in a high-rise apartment building and the smoke detector is
>> powered not by my unit's individual power, but off of a line brought
>> in from a common hallway. There is no way to cut power to the smoke
>> detector without cutting power to all the lights in the common
>> hallway, which is impossible.
>>
>>
>> So, how can I safely (or as safely as possible) change this detector
>> with a new one? If I don't touch certain wires together, will I be
>> OK? What are the chances I would get shocked?
>>
>>
>> I know your first inclination will be to tell me to get the circuit
>> turned off or call an electrician, but please (at least
>> hypothetically) assume that neither of those options are possible.
>
>
>
> I answer the questions without making judgments.
>
> Hypothetically speaking, there is no way to get shocked or damage anything
> if you work with one wire at a time and do not ground yourself while
> touching the bare part of the hot (usually black or red) wire.
>
> If I were to do something like this I would do the bare or green wire
> first, the white wire second and the hot wire last. Once I had all the
> wires connected to the new modular plug, I would plug it in and test it
> before attached it to the box.
>
> Note there may be an inter-connection wire (usually yellow that must also
> be connected. This has no juice and can be done at any time.
>
> Also the base plate may need to be changed even if it is the same brand.
>
>
> --
> Colbyt
> Please come visit www.househomerepair.com
>


Hot comes off first goes on the last



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