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Rodents & their odor from crawlspace Dan 04-16-2007
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Posted by Dan on April 16, 2007, 2:59 pm


My wife & I have just bought a house in the Seattle area. House is 2 story,
about 3000 sq', on a 1 acre very wooded lot. The previous owner had a
problem which I understand is fairly common around here; rodents (mice &/or
rats) in the crawl space. He had a local Terminex address the infestation,
as of last week Terminex claims "no new activity", however the rodents
nested in the insulation between the floor joists, ripping it up & pulling
it down in spots, as well as urinating/defecating/probably a few dead ones
in & around the fiberglass. This is stinking up the space, which can be
smelled in the kitchen area. My plan is to have my own independent
inspector go over the space, make sure all entry points are closed & that
there really are no rodents present, then have the insulation and other
debris removed & new plastic put down. Since we're heading into the warm
months, I thought I'd wait until late summer/early fall to have new
insulation put in, to give the subfloor/joists/etc. a good time to air out.
I'm wondering if anyone else has dealt with this, and if so what they think
of my plan. Any helpful suggestions appreciated.

TIA

Dan



Posted by Speedy Jim on April 16, 2007, 3:07 pm


Dan wrote:

> My wife & I have just bought a house in the Seattle area. House is 2 story,
> about 3000 sq', on a 1 acre very wooded lot. The previous owner had a
> problem which I understand is fairly common around here; rodents (mice &/or
> rats) in the crawl space. He had a local Terminex address the infestation,
> as of last week Terminex claims "no new activity", however the rodents
> nested in the insulation between the floor joists, ripping it up & pulling
> it down in spots, as well as urinating/defecating/probably a few dead ones
> in & around the fiberglass. This is stinking up the space, which can be
> smelled in the kitchen area. My plan is to have my own independent
> inspector go over the space, make sure all entry points are closed & that
> there really are no rodents present, then have the insulation and other
> debris removed & new plastic put down. Since we're heading into the warm
> months, I thought I'd wait until late summer/early fall to have new
> insulation put in, to give the subfloor/joists/etc. a good time to air out.
> I'm wondering if anyone else has dealt with this, and if so what they think
> of my plan. Any helpful suggestions appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Dan
>
>

Not a (helpful) answer to your query, but I was
working at a house w/crawl which had been infested.
The owner assured me that the exterminators had been
thorough in eradicating the rodents.

I had been working in the crawl, sprawled out on
the earthen floor, for maybe 10 minutes when the
ground began to shift and collapse! I got out the
scuttle hole as fast as I could.

Nothing more happened and we later figured out that
the rats had made numerous tunnels in the earthen floor,
which then had collapsed under my weight.

<shudder>

Jim

Posted by Oren on April 16, 2007, 3:27 pm



>Dan wrote:
>
>> My wife & I have just bought a house in the Seattle area. House is 2 story,
>> about 3000 sq', on a 1 acre very wooded lot. The previous owner had a
>> problem which I understand is fairly common around here; rodents (mice &/or
>> rats) in the crawl space. He had a local Terminex address the infestation,
>> as of last week Terminex claims "no new activity", however the rodents
>> nested in the insulation between the floor joists, ripping it up & pulling
>> it down in spots, as well as urinating/defecating/probably a few dead ones
>> in & around the fiberglass. This is stinking up the space, which can be
>> smelled in the kitchen area. My plan is to have my own independent
>> inspector go over the space, make sure all entry points are closed & that
>> there really are no rodents present, then have the insulation and other
>> debris removed & new plastic put down. Since we're heading into the warm
>> months, I thought I'd wait until late summer/early fall to have new
>> insulation put in, to give the subfloor/joists/etc. a good time to air out.
>> I'm wondering if anyone else has dealt with this, and if so what they think
>> of my plan. Any helpful suggestions appreciated.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>
> Not a (helpful) answer to your query, but I was
>working at a house w/crawl which had been infested.
>The owner assured me that the exterminators had been
>thorough in eradicating the rodents.
>
> I had been working in the crawl, sprawled out on
>the earthen floor, for maybe 10 minutes when the
>ground began to shift and collapse! I got out the
>scuttle hole as fast as I could.
>
> Nothing more happened and we later figured out that
>the rats had made numerous tunnels in the earthen floor,
>which then had collapsed under my weight.
>
><shudder>
>
>Jim

I don't have an answer myself. If this is and earthen floor I would at
a minimum, make a mixture of sudsy ammonia (heavy) and water to spray
into the space. Hopefully I could reduce the smell; since the space
is about to heat up. It would reduce the smell in the cook space above
(Imo).

The repair guy might appreciate it later; if nothing else!

--
Oren

"If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me."

Posted by EXT on April 16, 2007, 4:24 pm


Are you sure that an ammonia mixture is right for this situation. The urine
produces an ammonia smell, it sounds that it would only add to the problem.
I think you need some pet odour neutralizer or possibly pinesol or dettol
mixture sprayed around to help kill the smell.

>
>>Dan wrote:
>>
>>> My wife & I have just bought a house in the Seattle area. House is 2
>>> story,
>>> about 3000 sq', on a 1 acre very wooded lot. The previous owner had a
>>> problem which I understand is fairly common around here; rodents (mice
>>> &/or
>>> rats) in the crawl space. He had a local Terminex address the
>>> infestation,
>>> as of last week Terminex claims "no new activity", however the rodents
>>> nested in the insulation between the floor joists, ripping it up &
>>> pulling
>>> it down in spots, as well as urinating/defecating/probably a few dead
>>> ones
>>> in & around the fiberglass. This is stinking up the space, which can be
>>> smelled in the kitchen area. My plan is to have my own independent
>>> inspector go over the space, make sure all entry points are closed &
>>> that
>>> there really are no rodents present, then have the insulation and other
>>> debris removed & new plastic put down. Since we're heading into the
>>> warm
>>> months, I thought I'd wait until late summer/early fall to have new
>>> insulation put in, to give the subfloor/joists/etc. a good time to air
>>> out.
>>> I'm wondering if anyone else has dealt with this, and if so what they
>>> think
>>> of my plan. Any helpful suggestions appreciated.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not a (helpful) answer to your query, but I was
>>working at a house w/crawl which had been infested.
>>The owner assured me that the exterminators had been
>>thorough in eradicating the rodents.
>>
>> I had been working in the crawl, sprawled out on
>>the earthen floor, for maybe 10 minutes when the
>>ground began to shift and collapse! I got out the
>>scuttle hole as fast as I could.
>>
>> Nothing more happened and we later figured out that
>>the rats had made numerous tunnels in the earthen floor,
>>which then had collapsed under my weight.
>>
>><shudder>
>>
>>Jim
>
> I don't have an answer myself. If this is and earthen floor I would at
> a minimum, make a mixture of sudsy ammonia (heavy) and water to spray
> into the space. Hopefully I could reduce the smell; since the space
> is about to heat up. It would reduce the smell in the cook space above
> (Imo).
>
> The repair guy might appreciate it later; if nothing else!
>
> --
> Oren
>
> "If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me."



Posted by Oren on April 16, 2007, 6:19 pm


On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:24:31 -0400, "EXT"

>Are you sure that an ammonia mixture is right for this situation. The urine
>produces an ammonia smell, it sounds that it would only add to the problem.
>I think you need some pet odour neutralizer or possibly pinesol or dettol
>mixture sprayed around to help kill the smell.

Anything sprayed into the space too clear the kitchen smell. A mixture
of SUSDY ammonia from the dollar store will reduce the stench; added
to water. Inside or Outside. A cleaning solution, not smelling of
ammonia, given fragrances now.

Leaving ammonia out, I would water hose the space. The spaces stink,
according to the OP. Perhaps, a water down would reduce the present
smell!

Cat poo reeks of ammonia; find me a rodent that hangs around long?

Long, enough to tear up a crawl space......


>>
>>>Dan wrote:
>>>
>>>> My wife & I have just bought a house in the Seattle area. House is 2
>>>> story,
>>>> about 3000 sq', on a 1 acre very wooded lot. The previous owner had a
>>>> problem which I understand is fairly common around here; rodents (mice
>>>> &/or
>>>> rats) in the crawl space. He had a local Terminex address the
>>>> infestation,
>>>> as of last week Terminex claims "no new activity", however the rodents
>>>> nested in the insulation between the floor joists, ripping it up &
>>>> pulling
>>>> it down in spots, as well as urinating/defecating/probably a few dead
>>>> ones
>>>> in & around the fiberglass. This is stinking up the space, which can be
>>>> smelled in the kitchen area. My plan is to have my own independent
>>>> inspector go over the space, make sure all entry points are closed &
>>>> that
>>>> there really are no rodents present, then have the insulation and other
>>>> debris removed & new plastic put down. Since we're heading into the
>>>> warm
>>>> months, I thought I'd wait until late summer/early fall to have new
>>>> insulation put in, to give the subfloor/joists/etc. a good time to air
>>>> out.
>>>> I'm wondering if anyone else has dealt with this, and if so what they
>>>> think
>>>> of my plan. Any helpful suggestions appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not a (helpful) answer to your query, but I was
>>>working at a house w/crawl which had been infested.
>>>The owner assured me that the exterminators had been
>>>thorough in eradicating the rodents.
>>>
>>> I had been working in the crawl, sprawled out on
>>>the earthen floor, for maybe 10 minutes when the
>>>ground began to shift and collapse! I got out the
>>>scuttle hole as fast as I could.
>>>
>>> Nothing more happened and we later figured out that
>>>the rats had made numerous tunnels in the earthen floor,
>>>which then had collapsed under my weight.
>>>
>>><shudder>
>>>
>>>Jim
>>
>> I don't have an answer myself. If this is and earthen floor I would at
>> a minimum, make a mixture of sudsy ammonia (heavy) and water to spray
>> into the space. Hopefully I could reduce the smell; since the space
>> is about to heat up. It would reduce the smell in the cook space above
>> (Imo).
>>
>> The repair guy might appreciate it later; if nothing else!
>>
>> --
>> Oren
>>
>> "If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me."
>
--
Oren

"If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me."

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