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Roofing Question DerbyDad03 04-05-2008
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Posted by DerbyDad03 on April 6, 2008, 10:06 pm
> On Apr 5, 7:25=A0pm, Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?
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> > DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > > My wife got a quote to replace our roof. Since I haven't spoken to the=

> > > guy yet, I've got question about one thing he quoted:
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> > > "Additional cost of $45/sheet for 1/2" plywood."
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> > > I have 3/4" tongue & groove under the shingles, not plywood. He didn't=

> > > look in the attic, so I doubt he knows this.
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> > > Can I assume that the easy answer is - When I tell him it's 3/4"
> > > tongue & groove he'll just quote me a higher price for 3/4" ply?
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> > Why replace the whole roof if all you need is shingles?
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> > Blattus Slafaly =A0? 3 =A0 =A0 :) =A07/8
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> The whole thing sounds dubious to me. =A0Why would a contractor be
> delivering a pile of ply if they haven't even started the tear-off
> yet. =A0It costs money and time to deliver and then remove uneeded
> material

In the case of the neighbor's house (where the ply was delivered along
with the shingles) my wife tells me that they had water damage to the
bedroom ceilings due to the leaky roof. I can only assume that a more
through inspection was done before the material was delivered and the
work started. I won't know that until I've had a chance to speak to
the neighbor.

> I would not deal, or even talk, to a "contractor' that "happened to be
> in the area". =A0Well maybe I would depending on the looks of the
> equipment and crew but it would only be to get a bid for comparing to
> other companies.

Let me clarify something that you might have deduced by putting a
couple of different things in this thread together, although maybe
not. <g>

Yes, he was "in the neighborhood" but he was also roofing a neighbor's
house, a family we have known and liked for over 20 years. I've
trusted the nieghbor's judgement on other things in the past, so I
trust that he did his homework before hiring this particular roofer.
I can't say for sure until I talk to him, but that's my guess.

So this wasn't just a "Hey Look - a roofer - let's get an estimate."
It was more like "Hey that roofer's doing Richard's house - let's get
an estimate."

And yes, regardless of what his crew and equipment looked like, this
will be just one of at least 3 estimates I get.

Thanks for the advice.

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Posted by cshenk on April 7, 2008, 6:51 am
"Harry K" wrote

>The whole thing sounds dubious to me. Why would a contractor be
>delivering a pile of ply if they haven't even started the tear-off
>yet. It costs money and time to deliver and then remove uneeded
>material

Appearances can be deceiving. They definatley arrived with sheets of
plywood at my place. Why? Because inspection already showed they would need
some. The company I used does enough roof work to have a ready stock on
hand so they brought what they thought they would need, then a few extra
'incase' (which we needed some of those few extra).

>I would not deal, or even talk, to a "contractor' that "happened to be
>in the area". Well maybe I would depending on the looks of the
>equipment and crew but it would only be to get a bid for comparing to
>other companies.

Always get multiple estimates but getting to see them at work on a neighbors
house can give you a good idea of the work they do.

I would say one other thing. A contractor who does too many different types
of jobs (all with one team) tends to not be very good at any of them. The
fellow we used does roofs (has a special team for that), siding (has a
separate special team), and custom windows (with a 3rd team). Each 'team'
does just their own type of work and do it well.



Posted by Big_Jake on April 5, 2008, 10:47 pm
> My wife got a quote to replace our roof. Since I haven't spoken to the
> guy yet, I've got question about one thing he quoted:
>
> "Additional cost of $45/sheet for 1/2" plywood."
>
> I have 3/4" tongue & groove under the shingles, not plywood. He didn't
> look in the attic, so I doubt he knows this.
>
> Can I assume that the easy answer is - When I tell him it's 3/4"
> tongue & groove he'll just quote me a higher price for 3/4" ply?

You can clarify this with your roofer, but on the rare occasions that
I have bid roof work, I would say something like "Contractor assumes
that a re-deck will not be necessary. If roof needs a complete
redeck, an additional charge of $45 per sheet of 1/2" plywood will
apply.

Most older (pre-WWII) houses in my area have a layer of cedar shakes
at the bottom, and the 3/4" pine sheathing underneath has large gaps
in between the boards to allow the cedar to breath. Once the roof is
torn off, the entire roof needs to be redecked, and we usually use
7/16" or 1/2" OSB.

JK

Posted by DerbyDad03 on April 5, 2008, 10:54 pm
>
> > My wife got a quote to replace our roof. Since I haven't spoken to the
> > guy yet, I've got question about one thing he quoted:
>
> > "Additional cost of $45/sheet for 1/2" plywood."
>
> > I have 3/4" tongue & groove under the shingles, not plywood. He didn't
> > look in the attic, so I doubt he knows this.
>
> > Can I assume that the easy answer is - When I tell him it's 3/4"
> > tongue & groove he'll just quote me a higher price for 3/4" ply?
>
> You can clarify this with your roofer, but on the rare occasions that
> I have bid roof work, I would say something like "Contractor assumes
> that a re-deck will not be necessary. =A0If roof needs a complete
> redeck, an additional charge of $45 per sheet of 1/2" plywood will
> apply.
>
> Most older (pre-WWII) houses in my area have a layer of cedar shakes
> at the bottom, and the 3/4" pine sheathing underneath has large gaps
> in between the boards to allow the cedar to breath. =A0Once the roof is
> torn off, the entire roof needs to be redecked, and we usually use
> 7/16" or 1/2" OSB.
>
> JK

It sounds like you're saying that it's all or nothing. We both know
that's not true, so didn't you ever bid on a job that might need just
a sheet or two? Did you assume (and show up with) 1/2" ply?

For what it's worth, my deck is tight, no gaps...

Posted by Red Green on April 5, 2008, 11:51 pm

>>
>> > My wife got a quote to replace our roof. Since I haven't spoken to
>> > the guy yet, I've got question about one thing he quoted:
>>
>> > "Additional cost of $45/sheet for 1/2" plywood."
>>
>> > I have 3/4" tongue & groove under the shingles, not plywood. He
>> > didn't look in the attic, so I doubt he knows this.
>>
>> > Can I assume that the easy answer is - When I tell him it's 3/4"
>> > tongue & groove he'll just quote me a higher price for 3/4" ply?
>>
>> You can clarify this with your roofer, but on the rare occasions that
>> I have bid roof work, I would say something like "Contractor assumes
>> that a re-deck will not be necessary.  If roof needs a complete
>> redeck, an additional charge of $45 per sheet of 1/2" plywood will
>> apply.
>>
>> Most older (pre-WWII) houses in my area have a layer of cedar shakes
>> at the bottom, and the 3/4" pine sheathing underneath has large gaps
>> in between the boards to allow the cedar to breath.  Once the roof is
>> torn off, the entire roof needs to be redecked, and we usually use
>> 7/16" or 1/2" OSB.
>>
>> JK
>
> It sounds like you're saying that it's all or nothing. We both know
> that's not true, so didn't you ever bid on a job that might need just
> a sheet or two? Did you assume (and show up with) 1/2" ply?
>
> For what it's worth, my deck is tight, no gaps...

I've done roofing only on a personal basis and the last one was qute a
doozie. But anyway, in my limited exposure as to what's out there I've
never seen/heard of 3/4 t&g for roof decking. Kinda heavy duty no? That
doozie I mentioned was way north in the northeast, 50mi from Canada. I
think it was just 5/8" at most. Any regular sheathing roofs I've done
always had gaps. Gaps for expansion or it buckles. In fact some of the
sheets on that one did not have gaps and they buckled on many. Fixrd
that and ran a saw blade down all the seams to prevent buckling.

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