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Rotozip: goodgawd... Proctologically Violated©® 04-09-2007
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Posted by Proctologically Violated©® on April 9, 2007, 11:45 pm


Awl--

So my neighbor is cleaning out his garage, and ahm Mr. Popularity in my
neighborhood now, with my long-bed pickup truck.
So he's giving me all kinds of stuff, barbell weights (chrome plated!),
beach chairs for my shop, tools, among them, a near-new Rotozip.
By no means an RCM-type shop guy, even he dismissed it as junk, and indeed
he was correct.

But what *inneresting junk it is*!
Perhaps under the subtitle, Shoving it in so artfully you don't even feel
it....

It comes in a big-assed injection-molded case, so poorly designed--despite
its apparent sophistication--that after quite a time of tryna figger out
just how to get all the parts to fit in this big-assed case, I found a more
suitably sized and infinitely more practical and useful shoebox, dumped the
'zip and parts in, and was amazed at the shrinkage in sheer packaging
volume.

To wit:
The volume of the rotozip case calc'd out to 1,824 cubic inches.
What makes that significant is that a full *cubic foot* is a mere 1,728 cu
in.
What makes this even more striking is that a 5 gal bucket of joint compound,
paint, etc. is only 1,155 cubic inches.

So a cubic foot is no small volume.

The box I wound up putting the whole of the Rotozip kit in was 250 cu in,
and could have easily fit in a better-proportioned 200 cu. in.

So lessee,
1800 divided by 200 is 9.
Thus, the inflated the volume of this product by a factor of 9.

Which is about the same factor by which the infomercial peeple inflated its
usefulness.

This inflated-volume technique is widespread in Costco, Sears, Sam'sClub,
HD, etc, where "509 piece kits" of whatever super tool is at hand, when all
dumped in a paper bag, fit into a very small paper bag indeed.
Yet the display is enormous, for artfully good reason.
And which, even for a perenially PV'd cynic and semi-experienced shop rat as
myself, are enticing and at times near-intoxicating.

I was more struck by some of the brilliant engineering that goes into this
stuff, and into many near-useless consumer products, spanning the spectrum
of consumption. I'm amazed by some perfume bottles.
I wish I had the skill, talent, insight, and training to be able to
manufacture on this level.

And yet, not only is brilliant engineering thrown down the toilet on
uselessness, it also shoots itself in the foot with fatal flaws.

Which is really sort of ingenious as well, because these flaws are
essentially moot:
The product is near-useless, and 1 in one million will be used to the extent
where these flaws will actually manifest.
And, under real/normal usage, they are *guarownteeed* to manifest.
This thing, and various parts thereof, is *guarownteeed* to break, or break
off.

I was also struck by the sheer complexity of this item and all its klugey
attachments.
I got a near-$80,000 near-8,000 lb VMC in my garage (cnc milling machine),
with four *very* thick looseleaf binders jammed with documentation, which
took considerable effort to sufficiently digest so's I could actually use
this machine.

I can tell you right now, having toyed with all crap in the rotozip kit, and
having thumbed through all the disconnected and discombobulated paperwork in
this rotozip kit, that it would take a *significant fraction of the
time/energy/effort* it took me to get that goddamm VMC going (not counting
the ordeal of pert-near burning it down), to get this rotozip going.
A extraordinarily disproportionate fraction.

For a product--an oversized Dremel--whose sole purpose in this universe was
to thin out our wallets.
Considerable CorPirate board-room discussion went into this hustle, as well
as all the other Informercial Hustles out there.

The only use I see for this over-hyped crap is as a grinder heftier than a
Dremel, but not as hefty as a true die grinder.

Yeah, I imagine some hobbyist might be able to do sumpn with it, altho I
can't really imagine what.

But here's the fundamental problem with all this ill-designed over-hyped
crap:

When all the infomercial-ed choreography and contrived scenarios are over
and done with, you are left with a ""tool"" that pretty much dictates to YOU
what you can do with it, and how you can do it. It in fact dictates your
whole goddamm *strategy* of hobby-ing.
You are, imo, hamstrung with all its fragile peculiarities.
IOW, you must adapt to the oddities of a supposed do-it-all tool, which will
maybe indeed do it all, if you are adept at standing on your ears.

Visavis a tool that can *realistically* adapt to what you want it do.
Like a goddamm drill.
Or router.
Or sawzall.
Or even the crappiest jig/sabre saw.
Etc.

Another piece of Merkin Sleight-of-Hand Marketing, but another reason to
love this country.

All epitomized by the 9:1 inflation of its packaging volume.

The absolute apex of the Fleecing of Merka (short of the 100's of $$Billions
that Bush/Cheney's Halliburton is raking in from Iraq) is Tony Little's
fantasy fitness products, and Michael Thurmond's BluePrinting Yer body shit.
Goodgawd.... but another post.
--
------
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Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
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Posted by Chris Friesen on April 10, 2007, 12:31 am


Proctologically Violated©® wrote:

> Yeah, I imagine some hobbyist might be able to do sumpn with it, altho I
> can't really imagine what.

As far as I can see, the sole useful purpose of a rotozip is cutting out
the openings for electrical boxes in drywall. With a suitable bit its
pretty quick and does a good job.

Chris

Posted by joel on April 10, 2007, 10:35 am



> Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I imagine some hobbyist might be able to do sumpn with it, altho I
> > can't really imagine what.
>
> As far as I can see, the sole useful purpose of a rotozip is cutting out
> the openings for electrical boxes in drywall. With a suitable bit its
> pretty quick and does a good job.
>
> Chris

if you really want to save money, you can buy the RZ style bits from
Dremel for your dremel. work just as well and only cost 5-6 bucks. Maybe
a little bit slower since it doesn't have the power.

--J

Posted by Steve B on April 10, 2007, 11:31 am



> Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I imagine some hobbyist might be able to do sumpn with it, altho I
>> can't really imagine what.
>
> As far as I can see, the sole useful purpose of a rotozip is cutting out
> the openings for electrical boxes in drywall. With a suitable bit its
> pretty quick and does a good job.
>
> Chris

We had to access the back of a faucet that was on a pony wall that had been
tiled over. We put a side cutting rotozip blade on there, cut through the
grout, the wonderboard, and cut one tile out very nicely, thank you. The
repair was almost invisible. Didn't break the tile. Regrouted. They ain't
for everything, but they work good for some things. I've used them during
remodeling, and they DO have their bright spots.

As for wasted space in the cases, I took a Makita drill case, cut out the
guts, and use it to carry my chain saw sharpening components. Took about
half an hour to cut all the crap out, though.

STeve



Posted by Tony on April 10, 2007, 12:54 am


you never hung drywall


> Awl--
>
> So my neighbor is cleaning out his garage, and ahm Mr. Popularity in my
> neighborhood now, with my long-bed pickup truck.
> So he's giving me all kinds of stuff, barbell weights (chrome plated!),
> beach chairs for my shop, tools, among them, a near-new Rotozip.
> By no means an RCM-type shop guy, even he dismissed it as junk, and indeed
> he was correct.
>
> But what *inneresting junk it is*!
> Perhaps under the subtitle, Shoving it in so artfully you don't even feel
> it....
>
> It comes in a big-assed injection-molded case, so poorly designed--despite
> its apparent sophistication--that after quite a time of tryna figger out
> just how to get all the parts to fit in this big-assed case, I found a
> more suitably sized and infinitely more practical and useful shoebox,
> dumped the 'zip and parts in, and was amazed at the shrinkage in sheer
> packaging volume.
>
> To wit:
> The volume of the rotozip case calc'd out to 1,824 cubic inches.
> What makes that significant is that a full *cubic foot* is a mere 1,728 cu
> in.
> What makes this even more striking is that a 5 gal bucket of joint
> compound, paint, etc. is only 1,155 cubic inches.
>
> So a cubic foot is no small volume.
>
> The box I wound up putting the whole of the Rotozip kit in was 250 cu in,
> and could have easily fit in a better-proportioned 200 cu. in.
>
> So lessee,
> 1800 divided by 200 is 9.
> Thus, the inflated the volume of this product by a factor of 9.
>
> Which is about the same factor by which the infomercial peeple inflated
> its usefulness.
>
> This inflated-volume technique is widespread in Costco, Sears, Sam'sClub,
> HD, etc, where "509 piece kits" of whatever super tool is at hand, when
> all dumped in a paper bag, fit into a very small paper bag indeed.
> Yet the display is enormous, for artfully good reason.
> And which, even for a perenially PV'd cynic and semi-experienced shop rat
> as myself, are enticing and at times near-intoxicating.
>
> I was more struck by some of the brilliant engineering that goes into this
> stuff, and into many near-useless consumer products, spanning the spectrum
> of consumption. I'm amazed by some perfume bottles.
> I wish I had the skill, talent, insight, and training to be able to
> manufacture on this level.
>
> And yet, not only is brilliant engineering thrown down the toilet on
> uselessness, it also shoots itself in the foot with fatal flaws.
>
> Which is really sort of ingenious as well, because these flaws are
> essentially moot:
> The product is near-useless, and 1 in one million will be used to the
> extent where these flaws will actually manifest.
> And, under real/normal usage, they are *guarownteeed* to manifest.
> This thing, and various parts thereof, is *guarownteeed* to break, or
> break off.
>
> I was also struck by the sheer complexity of this item and all its klugey
> attachments.
> I got a near-$80,000 near-8,000 lb VMC in my garage (cnc milling machine),
> with four *very* thick looseleaf binders jammed with documentation, which
> took considerable effort to sufficiently digest so's I could actually use
> this machine.
>
> I can tell you right now, having toyed with all crap in the rotozip kit,
> and having thumbed through all the disconnected and discombobulated
> paperwork in this rotozip kit, that it would take a *significant fraction
> of the time/energy/effort* it took me to get that goddamm VMC going (not
> counting the ordeal of pert-near burning it down), to get this rotozip
> going.
> A extraordinarily disproportionate fraction.
>
> For a product--an oversized Dremel--whose sole purpose in this universe
> was to thin out our wallets.
> Considerable CorPirate board-room discussion went into this hustle, as
> well as all the other Informercial Hustles out there.
>
> The only use I see for this over-hyped crap is as a grinder heftier than a
> Dremel, but not as hefty as a true die grinder.
>
> Yeah, I imagine some hobbyist might be able to do sumpn with it, altho I
> can't really imagine what.
>
> But here's the fundamental problem with all this ill-designed over-hyped
> crap:
>
> When all the infomercial-ed choreography and contrived scenarios are over
> and done with, you are left with a ""tool"" that pretty much dictates to
> YOU what you can do with it, and how you can do it. It in fact dictates
> your whole goddamm *strategy* of hobby-ing.
> You are, imo, hamstrung with all its fragile peculiarities.
> IOW, you must adapt to the oddities of a supposed do-it-all tool, which
> will maybe indeed do it all, if you are adept at standing on your ears.
>
> Visavis a tool that can *realistically* adapt to what you want it do.
> Like a goddamm drill.
> Or router.
> Or sawzall.
> Or even the crappiest jig/sabre saw.
> Etc.
>
> Another piece of Merkin Sleight-of-Hand Marketing, but another reason to
> love this country.
>
> All epitomized by the 9:1 inflation of its packaging volume.
>
> The absolute apex of the Fleecing of Merka (short of the 100's of
> $$Billions that Bush/Cheney's Halliburton is raking in from Iraq) is Tony
> Little's fantasy fitness products, and Michael Thurmond's BluePrinting Yer
> body shit.
> Goodgawd.... but another post.
> --
> ------
> Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY
>
> Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
> Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
> Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
> to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
> The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!
>
> entropic3.14decay at optonline2.718 dot net; remove pi and e to reply--ie,
> all d'numbuhs
>
>
>


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