Rotozip: goodgawd...

Yeah, Vaseline.
You should try some.
Make sure there's no sand in it.
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> Steve

Posted by Proctologically Violated©® on April 12, 2007, 12:37 pm

Oh yeah, *big props* to Eric. <VBG>
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>>>>

>>>>> Personally, I don't think the hurricane of sheetrock dust is worth it.

>>>>> Most drywall contractors I've seen still use a keyhole saw.

>>>>

>>>> Ah! Another contender for the "I've never used the tool, and don't

>>>> know how to drywall, but I know it's junk" crowd!

>>>

>>> "Junk" has different contexts.

>>>

>>> A tool can be crappily built, mis-advertised and mis-represented, and

>>> still be narrowly useful, as many posters have shown.

>>>

>>> There is no way the Zip I now have could withstand prolonged

>>> industrial/trade use--proly not even much home use, for a variety of

>>> reasons, just one of which is that half the goddamm parts are already

>>> missing--and likely inevitably so.

>>>

>>> No way you could re-tile a g-d bathroom with it, or peel up a kitchen

>>> floor's worth of linoleum, or usefully sand anything but the edge of a

>>> 2x4.

>>> iirc, the mis-infomercial spent mebbe 5%, if that, on valid shitrock

>>> applications.

>>>

>>> Perhaps "hustle" is a better word than "junk".

>>> Like the drill doctor, where they claim a 1/2" bit costs $20, or a

>>> fractional drill set $100, when decent 115 pc drill sets can be had for

>>> $29.

>>> Or the instant sharpening of a carbide masonry bit--give me a break. You

>>> couldn't sharpen a masonry bit that fast even on a green wheel on a 8"

>>> pedestal grinder.

>>>

>>> A pedagogic note:

>>> God Forbid that the Pubic be TAUGHT how to sharpen drill bits by hand.

>>> Not saying the DD is bad or junk--it may or may not be--proly is--but it

>>> is F'SURE a hustle.

>>>

>>> Or the ""7,000 lb truck" running over an Oreck. Please.....

>>> The back wheel of that goddamm pickup coulda run over my slippered foot

>>> without doing much damage.

>>> Not saying the Oreck is bad or junk--it may or may not be--proly is--but

>>> is is F'SURE a hustle.

>>>

>>> Sleight-of-hand is *necessarily* employed by junk vendors, vending

>>> largely junk.

>>>

>>> Even if said junk can be useful.

>>>

>>> Better, as NotEnoughBrains suggested, to buy the Porter Cable, if for no

>>> other reason, to spite the Junk Peeple.

>>>

>>> So, the "I don't know shit, but I know it's junk" crowd can indeed not

>>> know shit, but still be right, just on Marketing GP.

>>>

>>> Would be interesting, tho, to survey drywall contractors, to see what

>>> they think, and why.

>>> Would be a hoot if ATP were correct!!

>>>

>>> Oh, this is funnier'n'shit.... I was a supervisor for a drywall

>>> construction firm in Manhattan. :O

>>> Didn't know shit about shitrock then, either. :)

>>> Except that it was goddamm heavy..... :) :)

>>> Thank god my house is plaster & lathe... :) :) :)

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>>> Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:

>>> Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.

>>> Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*

>>> to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.

>>> The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!

>>>

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>> So, DO you have any recommendations for products based on your own

>> personal experiences and vast intellect? Or just criticism?

> Yeah, Vaseline.

> You should try some.

> Make sure there's no sand in it.

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> Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY

> Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:

> Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.

> Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*

> to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.

> The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!

> entropic3.14decay at optonline2.718 dot net; remove pi and e to reply--ie,

> all d'numbuhs

>> Steve

Posted by Dave Martindale on April 12, 2007, 4:51 pm

>No way you could re-tile a g-d bathroom with it, or peel up a kitchen

>floor's worth of linoleum, or usefully sand anything but the edge of a 2x4.

>iirc, the mis-infomercial spent mebbe 5%, if that, on valid shitrock

>applications.

Your problem is that you watch infomercials. If you didn't watch them
(and don't tell me that you didn't know at the time that they were lying
to you!) you wouldn't have unreasonable expectations of what products
can do.

>Perhaps "hustle" is a better word than "junk".

>Like the drill doctor, where they claim a 1/2" bit costs $20, or a

>fractional drill set $100, when decent 115 pc drill sets can be had for $29.

It depends on what quality of drill bits you buy, doesn't it? If you
buy your bits at $29/set, then it doesn't make sense to spend $100 on a
Drill Doctor - but surely you could figure that out for yourself. On
the other hand, if you regularly buy expensive drill bits, it might be
worthwhile.

Also, there's the time aspect. If I dull or damage a drill, it takes
far less time to resharpen it in an in-house DD than it does to drive to
the nearest store where I can buy a new drill. That's worth something.

>Or the instant sharpening of a carbide masonry bit--give me a break. You

>couldn't sharpen a masonry bit that fast even on a green wheel on a 8"

>pedestal grinder.

Um, have you tried it? I have. The diamond wheel in the DD removed
carbide from the bit astonishingly fast, given the light pressure and
momentary contact that I used. A green wheel is silicon carbide, which
is nowhere close to diamond in hardness. (And I have used a green wheel
to sharpen carbide lathe tools).

>A pedagogic note:

>God Forbid that the Pubic be TAUGHT how to sharpen drill bits by hand.

>Not saying the DD is bad or junk--it may or may not be--proly is--but it is

>F'SURE a hustle.

You mean that the infomercials are a hustle. Don't watch them. Feel
better now? Actually just turn off the TV entirely, you'll feel better
yet.

My own impression of the DD is that it provides a pretty decent
sharpening job with minimal skill. The 180 grit wheel is somewhat
coarse compared to whatever does the final grinding on new bits. I
could *probably* do better with lots of practice, but the DD means I
don't need to spend that time practicing just to make a dull bit usable
again.

>Or the ""7,000 lb truck" running over an Oreck. Please.....

>Sleight-of-hand is *necessarily* employed by junk vendors, vending largely

>junk.

So change the channel already!

Dave

Posted by Proctologically Violated©® on April 13, 2007, 1:28 pm

> writes:

>>No way you could re-tile a g-d bathroom with it, or peel up a kitchen

>>floor's worth of linoleum, or usefully sand anything but the edge of a

>>2x4.

>>iirc, the mis-infomercial spent mebbe 5%, if that, on valid shitrock

>>applications.

> Your problem is that you watch infomercials. If you didn't watch them

> (and don't tell me that you didn't know at the time that they were lying

> to you!) you wouldn't have unreasonable expectations of what products

> can do.

I don't just watch them....
I STUDY them and take notes. No foolin...

And no, there are unreasonable expectations.
I just hate lying em effers, is all.

>>Perhaps "hustle" is a better word than "junk".

>>Like the drill doctor, where they claim a 1/2" bit costs $20, or a

>>fractional drill set $100, when decent 115 pc drill sets can be had for

>>$29.

> It depends on what quality of drill bits you buy, doesn't it? If you

> buy your bits at $29/set, then it doesn't make sense to spend $100 on a

> Drill Doctor - but surely you could figure that out for yourself. On

> the other hand, if you regularly buy expensive drill bits, it might be

> worthwhile.

Yeah, but mebbe YOU figgered out that the infomercials are in fact directed
at people who are precisely NOT paying $100 for 29 drills. Not too many
home-moaners req. parabolic cobalt/carbide.
Altho I'm sure the informercial is being produced to convince them that they
DO need parabolic carbide, w/ a coolant hole.

> Also, there's the time aspect. If I dull or damage a drill, it takes

> far less time to resharpen it in an in-house DD than it does to drive to

> the nearest store where I can buy a new drill. That's worth something.

I'll bet I can sharpen a drill by hand far more quickly than you can find,
plug in, set up yer DD.
And bleeve me, ahm no 'spert.
Mebbe not perfectly symmetrically, but more than adequately.
It takes very little change in drill geometry to make it dull. Therefore,
it often takes but a touch to make is sharp again.
Not to mention being able to put different angles/tips on the drill, as
req'd.

Here's the deal:
In previous threads, the consensus was, among experienced machinists, is
that for critical work *neither* hand sharpening nor DD are as accurate as a
new drill.
But, *home-moaners* will NEVER require that level of accuracy.
So, the DD fills a kind of void that, well, doesn't really need to be
filled.

Oh, oh, except that void CREATED by hustling a Drill Doctor instead of
TEACHING people a simple shop technique.

Now, I'm sure there are some scenarios where a DD is in fact useful.
But that's not the point.
The point is, The Hustle.
AND, the ultimate disservice done when *education* is denied, in favor of,
well, The Hustle.

>>Or the instant sharpening of a carbide masonry bit--give me a break. You

>>couldn't sharpen a masonry bit that fast even on a green wheel on a 8"

>>pedestal grinder.

> Um, have you tried it? I have. The diamond wheel in the DD removed

> carbide from the bit astonishingly fast, given the light pressure and

> momentary contact that I used. A green wheel is silicon carbide, which

> is nowhere close to diamond in hardness. (And I have used a green wheel

> to sharpen carbide lathe tools).

I stand corrected.
I'll have to fire up my Baldor w/ diamond wheels (sitting there for a year
now), see how it does on masonry bits.

>>A pedagogic note:

>>God Forbid that the Pubic be TAUGHT how to sharpen drill bits by hand.

>>Not saying the DD is bad or junk--it may or may not be--proly is--but it

>>is

>>F'SURE a hustle.

> You mean that the infomercials are a hustle. Don't watch them. Feel

> better now? Actually just turn off the TV entirely, you'll feel better

> yet.

You actually have a good point here.
I feel like a heroin addict shooting up *very* bad heroin.

> My own impression of the DD is that it provides a pretty decent

> sharpening job with minimal skill. The 180 grit wheel is somewhat

> coarse compared to whatever does the final grinding on new bits. I

> could *probably* do better with lots of practice, but the DD means I

> don't need to spend that time practicing just to make a dull bit usable

> again.

>>Or the ""7,000 lb truck" running over an Oreck. Please.....

>>Sleight-of-hand is *necessarily* employed by junk vendors, vending largely

>>junk.

> So change the channel already!

A very important point you raise.
Changing the channel is not a real solution, when so many others are
unwittingly addicted/conned.
Simply changing the channel, without attempting to do something about it is,
in principle, irresponsible.
But from a practical pov, probably little other option.

But simply "changing the channel" is what is allowing Congress to rape every
man, woman, and child in this country.
And sit is Session to chortle about it.

Your earlier "advice" was actually better: throw out the TV.

Ergo, see my sig.
:)

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Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!

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all d'numbuhs

> Dave

Posted by Dave Martindale on April 14, 2007, 1:20 am

>> Also, there's the time aspect. If I dull or damage a drill, it takes

>> far less time to resharpen it in an in-house DD than it does to drive to

>> the nearest store where I can buy a new drill. That's worth something.

>I'll bet I can sharpen a drill by hand far more quickly than you can find,

>plug in, set up yer DD.

Maybe you can. But I can find and "set up" (i.e. place it on a table
somewhere) my DD in less time than I can get my bench grinder set up
and ready to use. Right now, the grinder is sitting behind a
mini-lathe.

>And bleeve me, ahm no 'spert.

>Mebbe not perfectly symmetrically, but more than adequately.

>It takes very little change in drill geometry to make it dull. Therefore,

>it often takes but a touch to make is sharp again.

>Not to mention being able to put different angles/tips on the drill, as

>req'd.

Because the DD uses a chuck to hold the drill and cams to control its
motion, it seems pretty good at getting both cutting edges the same
length and the same angle. It seems less good at getting the same
cutting geometry on all sizes of drills - the smallest sizes go a bit
weird. This is with the 350X, the cheapest current model, which uses a
chuck that's effectively a pair of V-blocks and has built-in fingers on
the jaws to set the rotational position of the drill. The more
expensive models use 6-jaw chucks to hold the drill and an entirely
different alignment method, so they may work better.

>The point is, The Hustle.

>AND, the ultimate disservice done when *education* is denied, in favor of,

>well, The Hustle.

Selling stuff to people who are too lazy to learn a technique that
requires more skill is a time-honoured way to make money. I don't have
a problem with that if the machine actually works. The DD does work
well enough that I think it's useful.

Now, maybe I'm just too lazy to spend the time needed to become
reasonably competent at sharpening a drill. But I do have a bench
grinder, and I do have the tools needed to true the wheel, so I'll
believe that I could do it eventually. Lots of people don't even own a
bench grinder, or they do but the wheels are far from having a flat
cutting face. They are considerably further from being able to do their
own freehand drill sharpening.

>> You mean that the infomercials are a hustle. Don't watch them. Feel

>> better now? Actually just turn off the TV entirely, you'll feel better

>> yet.

>You actually have a good point here.

>I feel like a heroin addict shooting up *very* bad heroin.

I'm pretty unimpressed with TV these days. I've probably watched less
than 5 hours of TV in the past year.

Dave

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