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Rotozip: goodgawd... Proctologically Violated©® 04-09-2007
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Posted by Proctologically Violated©® on April 14, 2007, 2:21 pm




> writes:
>
>>Dude, you have an inaccessible bench grinder? A fellow with a mini lathe?
>>A more accessible DD??
>>You gotta get yer priorities straight!
>
> We moved a year ago and haven't finished unpacking yet. The garage,
> which will eventually be the woodworking shop, is still full of all
> sorts of other things. I have a bench grinder, but it's currently
> sharing a single bench top with a mini-lathe, a scroll saw, a belt
> sander, and a drill press. The drill press is ready to use any time,
> but to use any of the others you have to move a couple of things around.
> We're not going to be able to use the lathe at all until the garage
> gets further unpacked, unless we take it outdoors.

Well, ito of priorities, make it clear to the Wife that the Shop comes
before the Kitchen.... :)

>
> The DD may be a less general-purpose tool, but it's also a lot smaller.
> It sits in a cupboard in the house and is immediately available.
>
>>Bleeve me, iffin *I* can sharpen drills quickly, *anyone* can.
>
> Well, I can make a drill cut again by hand. But I mostly use drills on
> metal, not wood, so I care about them cutting lousy holes. And an
> off-center point or unequal cutting edge angles will make a messy hole.
> So a certain amount of precision is needed in sharpening.

Well, mebbe iffin yer really picky.... :)


>
>>What you might find useful is Sears' Utility Sharpener, which is a wide
>>faced (about 2") slow revolving wet stone, which is less aggressive in its
>>cutting, might make drill sharpening easier, more reliable.
>>Except for snapped drills, a bench grinder is good just to get the general
>>shape.
>
> I've seen various wet grinders around. Lee Valley makes a sharpener
> that uses dry abrasive sheets on an aluminum platen that should behave
> similarly. But they're all more than I'm willing to pay at the moment.
> I do have a Wen thing that uses a cylindrical stone, but haven't been
> able to get consistent results with it.
>
>>The above Sears. Good for knives, as well, which I think was its intended
>>purpose.
>
> For knives that just need touching up, I hand sharpen with a stone and
> angle guide. For dull knives, I might use a diamond stone by hand.
> And for really blunt knives that need a lot of metal removed, a very
> fine grit belt on the belt sander works amazingly fast. (This is a 1
> inch wide belt on a bench sander, not the 3 inch belts of portable
> sanders).
>
>>> I'm pretty unimpressed with TV these days. I've probably watched less
>>> than 5 hours of TV in the past year.
>
>>You are my hero and role model.
>>Or, you are very, very old.
>
> I'm 50. Is that old? Depends on your perspective.

Five-oh is about the right age to be totally disgusted with effing TV.
I think, tho, I'm going to have to be sent to rehab--LawnOrder, UFC,
donchaknow.....
And now that Dennis Farina is on LawnOrder, after rehab I'll probably need a
lifetime of Methadone.

I think that Wen ditty was discussed on rcm briefly. I think the Sears is a
knockoff.

If I had a whole tray of bits that needed sharpening, and I was doing only
118 o, I would consider a DD as a shop tool.
But usually I sharpen on the fly, so it is not yet an issue.

And since you are essentially correct, that the avg person is not going to
learn how to sharpen drills by hand, Voila, the DD becomes a commercially
viable product.

I would only add to that the "system" is set up to *make sure* that the avg
person does not *want* to learn how to sharpen bits themselves--or, to do
anything else themselves, really.
Home Depot and HGTV notwithstanding--both of which masterfully perpetuate a
marvelous fiction.

I still remember some artsy-craftsy pixie on HGTV, whippin out dat MIG
welder, like it was nuthin.... Please....
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>
> Dave
>




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Posted by ATP* on April 12, 2007, 5:12 pm



>
>> Personally, I don't think the hurricane of sheetrock dust is worth it.
>> Most drywall contractors I've seen still use a keyhole saw.
>
> Ah! Another contender for the "I've never used the tool, and don't know
> how to drywall, but I know it's junk" crowd!
>
> The "secret" to the RZ type tools is that they shove the dust INTO the
> wall. You don't get a "hurricane of sheetrock dust". In fact, it's much
> cleaner than sawing.
>
I think I've hung a few more sheets than you, Lloyd, and probably been on
quite a few more construction sites. I still have the Porter Cable router
that was used for sheetrock before the Roto-Zip came out.



Posted by Steve B on April 12, 2007, 5:32 pm



>
>>
>>> Personally, I don't think the hurricane of sheetrock dust is worth it.
>>> Most drywall contractors I've seen still use a keyhole saw.
>>
>> Ah! Another contender for the "I've never used the tool, and don't know
>> how to drywall, but I know it's junk" crowd!
>>
>> The "secret" to the RZ type tools is that they shove the dust INTO the
>> wall. You don't get a "hurricane of sheetrock dust". In fact, it's much
>> cleaner than sawing.
>>
> I think I've hung a few more sheets than you, Lloyd, and probably been on
> quite a few more construction sites. I still have the Porter Cable router
> that was used for sheetrock before the Roto-Zip came out.

But how can this be? Someone who has hung a lot of rock knowing a lot more
than a clueless newbie? It's against the laws of Usenet denizens, I say!

Steve ;-)



Posted by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh on April 13, 2007, 8:12 am



> But how can this be? Someone who has hung a lot of rock knowing a lot
> more than a clueless newbie? It's against the laws of Usenet denizens, I
> say!

WHO's a "clueless newbie"?

And where the hell does someone automatically get the information about how
many boards of rock I've hung in my life?

I'm "competent" in all the basic construction trades, sir. Did it for over
ten years before I realized that brain-sweat was a more effective lubricant
for my money machine than pit-sweat.

LLoyd


Posted by Steve B on April 13, 2007, 11:30 am



>
>> But how can this be? Someone who has hung a lot of rock knowing a lot
>> more than a clueless newbie? It's against the laws of Usenet denizens, I
>> say!
>
> WHO's a "clueless newbie"?
>
> And where the hell does someone automatically get the information about
> how many boards of rock I've hung in my life?
>
> I'm "competent" in all the basic construction trades, sir. Did it for
> over ten years before I realized that brain-sweat was a more effective
> lubricant for my money machine than pit-sweat.
>
> LLoyd
>

Sorry. Your comments about the rotozip just made you APPEAR like a clueless
newbie. Apparently you are a clueless experienced person.

Sorry.

Steve



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