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Posted by clare on November 17, 2009, 7:42 pm
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:11:15 -0500, "EXT"
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>> > I hope that someone from the excellent group can help me with this
>> > one.
>> > We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
>> > window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot
>> > out. We had a home inspection done and the inspector suggested that
>> > the windows should be replaced next year or the year after at the
>> > very latest.
>> > I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at
>> > least delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the
>> > seals are all still good.
>> > Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
>> > then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
>> > windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
>> > Thanks for all replies.
>> > Peter H
>> Why did they rot, the west side has enough sun to dry things out, is
>> it the whole frame. First dig out whats loose and kill the rot with
>> bleach. Minwax has a liqued hardener to be used on soft wood, you
>> drill holes and inject the liqued. I think a syringe would be best.
>> For holes ive used Bondo as that is the cheapest. A few other products
>> mentioned might cost you 2-5x as much and do no more. Covering it all
>> in aluminum will only hide the problem and cure nothing. But a
>> question remains, what caused them to rot?
>What caused them to rot. That is a good question. I have a similar problem
>on south facing windows. It appears that the window company used a very
>susceptible piece of wood. The wood next to it and touching it is fine. The
>windows are aluminum clad at the factory. There is nothing on the outside to
>paint, however, aluminum venetian blinds on the inside can cause
>considerable condensation in winter. This soaks into seams and swells the
>wood which causes the paint to crack allowing more water to penetrate. The
>bad piece of wood over the years retains the water for months and has
>started to rot in spots after 25 years. I have soaked in epoxy penetrant and
>used epoxy putty to level the lower frame and it is still quite sturdy and
>useable. The window next to this one, made by the same manufacturer, facing
>east is fine. Sometimes a bad piece of wood is used when making the frame.
>It looks OK when new, but just does not hold up over time.
Out of interest, what manufacturer??
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Posted by EXT on November 20, 2009, 10:03 am
clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
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> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:11:15 -0500, "EXT"
> > > > I hope that someone from the excellent group can help me with
> > > > this one.
> > > > We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area.
> > > > The window frames on the western side of the house are
> > > > beginning to rot out. We had a home inspection done and the
> > > > inspector suggested that the windows should be replaced next
> > > > year or the year after at the very latest.
> > > > I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at
> > > > least delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the
> > > > seals are all still good.
> > > > Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something
> > > > and then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole
> > > > set of windows because of this problem... not to mention the
> > > > expense.
> > > > Thanks for all replies.
> > > > Peter H
> > > Why did they rot, the west side has enough sun to dry things out,
> > > is it the whole frame. First dig out whats loose and kill the rot
> > > with bleach. Minwax has a liqued hardener to be used on soft
> > > wood, you drill holes and inject the liqued. I think a syringe
> > > would be best. For holes ive used Bondo as that is the cheapest.
> > > A few other products mentioned might cost you 2-5x as much and do
> > > no more. Covering it all in aluminum will only hide the problem
> > > and cure nothing. But a question remains, what caused them to rot?
> > What caused them to rot. That is a good question. I have a similar
> > problem on south facing windows. It appears that the window company
> > used a very susceptible piece of wood. The wood next to it and
> > touching it is fine. The windows are aluminum clad at the factory.
> > There is nothing on the outside to paint, however, aluminum
> > venetian blinds on the inside can cause considerable condensation
> > in winter. This soaks into seams and swells the wood which causes
> > the paint to crack allowing more water to penetrate. The bad piece
> > of wood over the years retains the water for months and has started
> > to rot in spots after 25 years. I have soaked in epoxy penetrant
> > and used epoxy putty to level the lower frame and it is still quite
> > sturdy and useable. The window next to this one, made by the same
> > manufacturer, facing east is fine. Sometimes a bad piece of wood is
> > used when making the frame. It looks OK when new, but just does not
> > hold up over time.
> Out of interest, what manufacturer??
They are made by "Feldmann", built somewhere near London, Ontario. Very good
windows, except for some poor wood in them, however the company folded
during the last recession in the late '80s or early '90s.
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Posted by ransley on November 17, 2009, 7:26 am
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> I hope that someone from the excellent group can help me with this
> one.
> We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
> window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot
> out. We had a home inspection done and the inspector suggested that
> the windows should be replaced next year or the year after at the very
> latest.
> I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at least
> delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the seals are all
> still good.
> Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
> then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
> windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
> Thanks for all replies.
> Peter H
I use a belt sander and usualy 80g , cleans it fast
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Posted by dadiOH on November 17, 2009, 7:36 am
Peter H wrote:
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> I hope that someone from the excellent group can help me with this
> one.
> We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
> window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot
> out. We had a home inspection done and the inspector suggested that
> the windows should be replaced next year or the year after at the very
> latest.
> I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at least
> delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the seals are all
> still good.
> Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
> then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
> windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
Yes, there are epoxies for that purpose; as mentioned, Git Rot is one.
The success in using them depends on the extent and type of rot; the epoxy
needs to penetrate into the entire rotted area. If the rot is "wet" rot and
superficial they would work IF the wood is completely dried first. If the
rot is deep "dry" rot, you would need to drill numerous holes and fill them
with epoxy...all the fungus causing the rot needs to be encapsulated. In
either case, any missing wood can be replaced with Bondo after the epoxy
sets.
How practical it is to do that is impossible to say without knowning the
extent of the rot. Quite possibly it would be cheaper to replace the
windows considering the amount of work to fix them, prime and paint.
Especially if the rot is also in the overhead member of the frame...try
getting thin epoxy into *that* :)
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dadiOH
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Posted by Jim Elbrecht on November 17, 2009, 8:08 am
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:58:48 -0800 (PST), Peter H
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>We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
>window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot
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>I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at least
>delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the seals are all
>still good.
>Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
>then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
>windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
first you need to find out why they only lasted 22 years. Once
that's fixed, I love this stuff;
http://www.rotdoctor.com/
It is expensive, and not that easy to use-- but given all the things
that replacing otherwise good windows entails, it is probably a good
idea.
I fixed the bottom of my garage door with it 10[?] years ago & there
is no sign of rot returning.
Jim
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>> > one.
>> > We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
>> > window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot
>> > out. We had a home inspection done and the inspector suggested that
>> > the windows should be replaced next year or the year after at the
>> > very latest.
>> > I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at
>> > least delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the
>> > seals are all still good.
>> > Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
>> > then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
>> > windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
>> > Thanks for all replies.
>> > Peter H
>> Why did they rot, the west side has enough sun to dry things out, is
>> it the whole frame. First dig out whats loose and kill the rot with
>> bleach. Minwax has a liqued hardener to be used on soft wood, you
>> drill holes and inject the liqued. I think a syringe would be best.
>> For holes ive used Bondo as that is the cheapest. A few other products
>> mentioned might cost you 2-5x as much and do no more. Covering it all
>> in aluminum will only hide the problem and cure nothing. But a
>> question remains, what caused them to rot?
>What caused them to rot. That is a good question. I have a similar problem
>on south facing windows. It appears that the window company used a very
>susceptible piece of wood. The wood next to it and touching it is fine. The
>windows are aluminum clad at the factory. There is nothing on the outside to
>paint, however, aluminum venetian blinds on the inside can cause
>considerable condensation in winter. This soaks into seams and swells the
>wood which causes the paint to crack allowing more water to penetrate. The
>bad piece of wood over the years retains the water for months and has
>started to rot in spots after 25 years. I have soaked in epoxy penetrant and
>used epoxy putty to level the lower frame and it is still quite sturdy and
>useable. The window next to this one, made by the same manufacturer, facing
>east is fine. Sometimes a bad piece of wood is used when making the frame.
>It looks OK when new, but just does not hold up over time.