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Posted by jamesgangnc on November 17, 2009, 12:33 pm
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> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:58:48 -0800 (PST), Peter H
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> >We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
> >window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot
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> >I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at least
> >delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the seals are all
> >still good.
> >Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
> >then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
> >windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
> first you need to find out why they only lasted 22 years. =A0 Once
> that's fixed, I love this stuff;http://www.rotdoctor.com/
> It is expensive, and not that easy to use-- but given all the things
> that replacing otherwise good windows entails, it is probably a good
> idea.
> I fixed the bottom of my garage door with it 10[?] years ago & there
> is no sign of rot returning. =A0 =A0
> Jim
That stuff is just epoxy thinned and marked up a couple 100%. Get
ordinary epoxy and after mixing it, thin with alcohol. You can add up
to 10% alcohol without affecting the results.
Lowes and Home depot sell brick molding and window sash. It's not
that hard to cut out the bad parts and replace them on most windows.
Unless the rot has gone way in.
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Posted by Don Phillipson on November 17, 2009, 9:23 am
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> We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
> window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot . . .
> Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
> then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
> windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
1. The home inspector could have answered your questions
about repair rather than replacement. Rot signals damage by
moisture, and long-term repair requires eliminating the source
of this damage. Plastic and metal-covered windowframes
are much easier to clean and maintain than (cheaper) wood.
2. You should be aware of the government-subsidized "Eco-
Energy" programme for Ontario, see
http://www.homeperformance.com/energy-advisor-home-eco-energy-advisors-ontario-bc-canada This subsidizes ($150) an "energy audit" of your house (cost
$300 to $450) and provides for part payment of upgrades that
improve your energy economy. The federal government
announced in 2008 (as an economic incentive) extra tax
deductions for home improvements, but this has not yet
been enacted for tax year 2009.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
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Posted by Van Chocstraw on November 17, 2009, 12:19 pm
Peter H wrote:
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> I hope that someone from the excellent group can help me with this
> one.
>
> We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
> window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot
> out. We had a home inspection done and the inspector suggested that
> the windows should be replaced next year or the year after at the very
> latest.
>
> I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at least
> delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the seals are all
> still good.
>
> Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
> then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
> windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
>
> Thanks for all replies.
>
> Peter H
A carpenter can cut out rotted sections and replace with new lumber,
blend and paint.
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Posted by DD_BobK on November 17, 2009, 1:42 pm
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> I hope that someone from the excellent group can help me with this
> one.
> We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
> window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot
> out. We had a home inspection done and the inspector suggested that
> the windows should be replaced next year or the year after at the very
> latest.
> I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at least
> delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the seals are all
> still good.
> Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
> then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
> windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
> Thanks for all replies.
> Peter H
Peter-
I have done extensive epoxy repair on my 1930's home in SoCal. A
fair number of the the sills (redwood) & sash frames (missing glazing
compound) were neglected for quite awhile before I got to them.
The redwood sills were badly weathered & eroded but no rot (clear old
growth heart wood).
Only one sash (both lower corners were "gone") was rotted. None of
the window framing was rotted.
The suggestions about using epoxy products are good ones. I used
(1987) Bondo on two window sills (redwood) with VERY POOR results.
A call to Bono's tech support line got the following response "while
we recommend the use of Bondo for wood repair, we don't recommend its
use on redwood".
I switched to www.abatron.com wood repair products; LiquidWood &
WoodEpox. The stuff ain't cheap but it really works & really lasts!
Repairs that I did in 1987 just need to be sanded & repainted. East
facing sills especially.
I was burned so badly by my Bondo experience and the epoxy I used
preformed so well.
I never gave any Bondo products another shot at exterior wood repair
on any of my work. Luckily it only screwed up two window sills.
In the latest "go 'round' (2006) I rebuilt the lower corners of a
rotted window sash. I embedded SS all thread (www.mcmaster.com) in
the sound wood, jigged up the sash and rebuilt the corners. Like
icing a cake. When cured, I shaped & sanded it. Perfect result.
BUT if I had had a number of sashes to do, I might have set up & done
a a wood repair or just bought or built new sashes. For a single sash
it "may" have made sense to do the epoxy repair.
that's all about the repair side....but why do you have the rot?
Paint failure? Water intrusion? Bad window material?
My sashes are nearly 80 years old...yellow pine? maybe? The only rot
I've experienced is due to my lack of proper maint but SoCal aint
Toronto.
Per other posts.....window / sill repair via epoxies is a LOT of
work.
I learned my lesson.....keep windows & sills properly painted.
At the first sign of paint film failure, sand them & give them a
another coat.
Paint needs to be sound to protect the wood.
cheers
Bob
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Posted by Peter H on November 21, 2009, 5:13 pm
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> > I hope that someone from the excellent group can help me with this
> > one.
> > We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
> > window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot
> > out. We had a home inspection done and the inspector suggested that
> > the windows should be replaced next year or the year after at the very
> > latest.
> > I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at least
> > delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the seals are all
> > still good.
> > Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
> > then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
> > windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
> > Thanks for all replies.
> > Peter H
> Peter-
> I have done extensive epoxy repair on my 1930's home in SoCal. =A0 A
> fair number of the the sills (redwood) =A0& sash frames (missing glazing
> compound) were neglected for quite awhile before I got to them.
> The redwood sills were badly weathered & eroded but no rot (clear old
> growth heart wood).
> Only one sash (both lower corners were "gone") was rotted. =A0None of
> the window framing was rotted.
> The suggestions about using epoxy products are good ones. =A0 I used
> (1987) Bondo on two window sills (redwood) with VERY POOR results.
> A call to Bono's tech support line got the following response =A0"while
> we recommend the use of Bondo for wood repair, we don't recommend its
> use on redwood".
> I switched towww.abatron.comwood repair products; =A0LiquidWood &
> WoodEpox. =A0 The stuff ain't cheap but it really works & really lasts!
> Repairs that I did in 1987 just need to be sanded & repainted. =A0East
> facing sills especially.
> I was burned so badly by my Bondo experience and the epoxy I used
> preformed so well.
> I never gave any Bondo products another shot at exterior wood repair
> on any of my work. =A0Luckily it only screwed up two window sills.
> In the latest "go 'round' (2006) =A0 I rebuilt the lower corners of a
> rotted window sash. =A0I embedded SS all thread (www.mcmaster.com) in
> the sound wood, jigged up the sash and rebuilt the corners. =A0Like
> icing a cake. =A0 When cured, I shaped & sanded it. =A0Perfect result.
> BUT =A0if I had had a number of sashes to do, I might have set up & done
> a a wood repair or just bought or built new sashes. =A0For a single sash
> it "may" have made sense to do the epoxy repair.
> that's all about the repair side....but why do you have the rot?
> Paint failure? =A0Water intrusion? =A0Bad window material?
> My sashes are nearly 80 years old...yellow pine? maybe? =A0The =A0only ro=
> I've experienced is due to my lack of proper maint but SoCal aint
> Toronto.
> Per other posts.....window / =A0sill repair via epoxies is a LOT of
> work.
> I learned my lesson.....keep windows & sills properly painted.
> At the first sign of paint film failure, sand them & give them a
> another coat.
> Paint needs to be sound to protect the wood.
> cheers
> Bob- Hide quoted text -
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I'd like to thank all who replied. I'm not sure why the windows
rotted, but suspect that they just didn't keep up the painting.
Eventually the wood weathered and split, letting moistur in. I'm not
in the house yet. We take possession next month and December in the
Greater Toronto Area is not prime time to be up on the side of a house
working on your windows, but I'll be up there in the spring.
Epoxy seems like the way to go. I'll spend some time at Home Depot and
see what they have there.
Peter H
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> -snip-
> >We've bought a 22 year-old house in the greater Toronto area. The
> >window frames on the western side of the house are beginning to rot
> -snip-
> >I'm wondering if there isn't some way to save the windows, or at least
> >delay the work. The windows are thermapane (sp?) and the seals are all
> >still good.
> >Could we not have the frames injected with a resin or something and
> >then seal them. It seems such a waste to trash the whole set of
> >windows because of this problem... not to mention the expense.
> first you need to find out why they only lasted 22 years. =A0 Once
> that's fixed, I love this stuff;http://www.rotdoctor.com/
> It is expensive, and not that easy to use-- but given all the things
> that replacing otherwise good windows entails, it is probably a good
> idea.
> I fixed the bottom of my garage door with it 10[?] years ago & there
> is no sign of rot returning. =A0 =A0
> Jim