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Running my house from a Generator, can I do this?.... sparty 07-13-2006
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Posted by sparty on July 13, 2006, 9:36 am
I recently moved into a new house in Michigan, that does not currently
have a Generator hook up.

I just ran 4 guage wire to my garage with a 60amp breaker on both sides
to run an Air Compessor/Welder/etc.

I'm wondering, could I take something like a 9000 watt generator, wire
a plug for it into a 60 amp breaker in the panel in my garage. Then if
our power went out, I go into the house, flip off the main breaker, and
all the breakers except the subpanel, furnace, refridgerator, pump, and
a few others.

Then I plug in and fire up the generator in my garage, or right outside
it, and feed power into the house from that to run those select items?

This seems like it would be a great idea, just want to make sure that
would be ok??

Thanks, James


AppliancePartsPros.com, Inc.
Posted by Joseph Meehan on July 13, 2006, 9:47 am
sparty wrote:
> I recently moved into a new house in Michigan, that does not currently
> have a Generator hook up.
>
> I just ran 4 guage wire to my garage with a 60amp breaker on both
> sides to run an Air Compessor/Welder/etc.
>
> I'm wondering, could I take something like a 9000 watt generator, wire
> a plug for it into a 60 amp breaker in the panel in my garage. Then
> if our power went out, I go into the house, flip off the main
> breaker, and all the breakers except the subpanel, furnace,
> refridgerator, pump, and a few others.
>
> Then I plug in and fire up the generator in my garage, or right
> outside it, and feed power into the house from that to run those
> select items?

I hope you really mean outside only. Never put one inside unless you
have a unit designed for it and know how to safely install it inside.

>
> This seems like it would be a great idea, just want to make sure that
> would be ok??
>
> Thanks, James


Let's start with the fact that it would be illegal and unsafe. You need
a special connection box that assures that you are totally disconnected from
the grid before you supply any power to your own home. Ignoring this can
kill a utility worked who might be trying to restore power to your home and
working on a line he knows is disconnected from the grid and therefore dead,
that you have just powered up. You also would be powering up every other
home in the neighborhood.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit



Posted by sparty on July 13, 2006, 10:18 am
I would be turning off the main breaker coming into my house first in
this scenario, wouldn't I be disconnected from the grid then??

When I said inside, I was talking my 3rd car garage not the house. I
could install the plug just outside my 3rd car garage and put a lock on
it.

Joseph Meehan wrote:
> sparty wrote:
> > I recently moved into a new house in Michigan, that does not currently
> > have a Generator hook up.
> >
> > I just ran 4 guage wire to my garage with a 60amp breaker on both
> > sides to run an Air Compessor/Welder/etc.
> >
> > I'm wondering, could I take something like a 9000 watt generator, wire
> > a plug for it into a 60 amp breaker in the panel in my garage. Then
> > if our power went out, I go into the house, flip off the main
> > breaker, and all the breakers except the subpanel, furnace,
> > refridgerator, pump, and a few others.
> >
> > Then I plug in and fire up the generator in my garage, or right
> > outside it, and feed power into the house from that to run those
> > select items?
>
> I hope you really mean outside only. Never put one inside unless you
> have a unit designed for it and know how to safely install it inside.
>
> >
> > This seems like it would be a great idea, just want to make sure that
> > would be ok??
> >
> > Thanks, James
>
>
> Let's start with the fact that it would be illegal and unsafe. You need
> a special connection box that assures that you are totally disconnected from
> the grid before you supply any power to your own home. Ignoring this can
> kill a utility worked who might be trying to restore power to your home and
> working on a line he knows is disconnected from the grid and therefore dead,
> that you have just powered up. You also would be powering up every other
> home in the neighborhood.
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia duit


Posted by on July 13, 2006, 10:35 am

sparty wrote:
> I would be turning off the main breaker coming into my house first in
> this scenario, wouldn't I be disconnected from the grid then??

Yes, IF you could guarantee that the main breaker was always open
before switching in the generator. The only way to do that is with a
transfer switch that won't allow one to be connected without
disconnecting the other first. There are either dedicated transfer
switchs for that or some panel manufacturers have a low cost kit that
installs a metal shield type device that goes over the existing panel
to prevent the main and the connecting circuit breaker from being
closed at the same time.

As Joseph pointed out, to do it any other way is illegal.



>
> When I said inside, I was talking my 3rd car garage not the house. I
> could install the plug just outside my 3rd car garage and put a lock on
> it.
>
> Joseph Meehan wrote:
> > sparty wrote:
> > > I recently moved into a new house in Michigan, that does not currently
> > > have a Generator hook up.
> > >
> > > I just ran 4 guage wire to my garage with a 60amp breaker on both
> > > sides to run an Air Compessor/Welder/etc.
> > >
> > > I'm wondering, could I take something like a 9000 watt generator, wire
> > > a plug for it into a 60 amp breaker in the panel in my garage. Then
> > > if our power went out, I go into the house, flip off the main
> > > breaker, and all the breakers except the subpanel, furnace,
> > > refridgerator, pump, and a few others.
> > >
> > > Then I plug in and fire up the generator in my garage, or right
> > > outside it, and feed power into the house from that to run those
> > > select items?
> >
> > I hope you really mean outside only. Never put one inside unless you
> > have a unit designed for it and know how to safely install it inside.
> >
> > >
> > > This seems like it would be a great idea, just want to make sure that
> > > would be ok??
> > >
> > > Thanks, James
> >
> >
> > Let's start with the fact that it would be illegal and unsafe. You need
> > a special connection box that assures that you are totally disconnected from
> > the grid before you supply any power to your own home. Ignoring this can
> > kill a utility worked who might be trying to restore power to your home and
> > working on a line he knows is disconnected from the grid and therefore dead,
> > that you have just powered up. You also would be powering up every other
> > home in the neighborhood.
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Meehan
> >
> > Dia duit


Posted by Chris Lewis on July 13, 2006, 10:43 am
> I would be turning off the main breaker coming into my house first in
> this scenario, wouldn't I be disconnected from the grid then??

Yes, but that's not enough for the electrical code. The code requires
it to be impossible for both the generator and mains be connected
at the same time. Double-male cordsets are called suicide cords
for good reason, and are code violations too.

A goof during a blackout can cause major damage or worse.

If you're going to have a generator big enough to be worth doing this
with, you should invest in a transfer switch and do it properly.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

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