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STEPS TO CELLAR

lance

10-01-2007

aemeijers

lance

DerbyDad03

Harry K

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Posted by lance on October 1, 2007, 8:59 pm

thie is an OLD house, the cellar has an ODD way of getting down into
it by way of a bad set of steps. Three steps down then turn right and
have to BEND under a beam and go down another four to the dirt floor.
I want to try a spiral type unit in this very tight space. ANY drawing
and how to would be appreciated.

Posted by aemeijers on October 1, 2007, 9:55 pm

> thie is an OLD house, the cellar has an ODD way of getting down into

> it by way of a bad set of steps. Three steps down then turn right and

> have to BEND under a beam and go down another four to the dirt floor.

> I want to try a spiral type unit in this very tight space. ANY drawing

> and how to would be appreciated.

Lemme guess- an older urban house on a narrow lot, and the stairs are
crammed between lot line or driveway to unattached garage, and the house
itself?

Any reason you can't make the outside stairwell pit deeper, and enlarge the
opening through the wall for a proper entry door?

I'd make a dimensioned diagram (x,y, and z axes) and take some photos, and
visit nearest precast concrete products dealer. Odds are they have something
in the catalog that would work.

I would recommend getting professional input on the design. We can't see
your house from here, and there may be reasons it was built the way it was.
Even if you feel ambitious enough to do the demo of the old stairwell and
the digging, I'd strongly recommend getting a pro to assist with the
install. Outside stairwells are notorious for leaking and frost-heaving, and
providing flooding paths into the basement. (hence the ugly shanty covering
the basement stairs on lots of old houses. )Experience with local soil
conditions helps a lot in determining the best approach to take for your
application. 'Get expert help' applies even more, if you need a site-built
custom stairwell, either poured or laid up from block. Don't forget the
drain at the bottom.

aem sends....

Posted by lance on October 2, 2007, 10:35 am

house, the cellar has an ODD way of getting down into

> > it by way of a bad set of steps. Three steps down then turn right and

> > have to BEND under a beam and go down another four to the dirt floor.

> > I want to try a spiral type unit in this very tight space. ANY drawing

> > and how to would be appreciated.

> Lemme guess- an older urban house on a narrow lot, and the stairs are

> crammed between lot line or driveway to unattached garage, and the house

> itself?

> Any reason you can't make the outside stairwell pit deeper, and enlarge the

> opening through the wall for a proper entry door?

> I'd make a dimensioned diagram (x,y, and z axes) and take some photos, and

> visit nearest precast concrete products dealer. Odds are they have something

> in the catalog that would work.

> I would recommend getting professional input on the design. We can't see

> your house from here, and there may be reasons it was built the way it was.

> Even if you feel ambitious enough to do the demo of the old stairwell and

> the digging, I'd strongly recommend getting a pro to assist with the

> install. Outside stairwells are notorious for leaking and frost-heaving, and

> providing flooding paths into the basement. (hence the ugly shanty covering

> the basement stairs on lots of old houses. )Experience with local soil

> conditions helps a lot in determining the best approach to take for your

> application. 'Get expert help' applies even more, if you need a site-built

> custom stairwell, either poured or laid up from block. Don't forget the

> drain at the bottom.

> aem sends....

Thanks and I should of explained better. These step ARE infact on the
inside of the house. No outside entry. Is there a way I can send a few
pictures on this group thing or to you?

Posted by DerbyDad03 on October 2, 2007, 10:46 am

house, the cellar has an ODD way of getting down into

> > > it by way of a bad set of steps. Three steps down then turn right and

> > > have to BEND under a beam and go down another four to the dirt floor.

> > > I want to try a spiral type unit in this very tight space. ANY drawing

> > > and how to would be appreciated.

> > Lemme guess- an older urban house on a narrow lot, and the stairs are

> > crammed between lot line or driveway to unattached garage, and the house

> > itself?

> > Any reason you can't make the outside stairwell pit deeper, and enlarge the

> > opening through the wall for a proper entry door?

> > I'd make a dimensioned diagram (x,y, and z axes) and take some photos, and

> > visit nearest precast concrete products dealer. Odds are they have something

> > in the catalog that would work.

> > I would recommend getting professional input on the design. We can't see

> > your house from here, and there may be reasons it was built the way it was.

> > Even if you feel ambitious enough to do the demo of the old stairwell and

> > the digging, I'd strongly recommend getting a pro to assist with the

> > install. Outside stairwells are notorious for leaking and frost-heaving, and

> > providing flooding paths into the basement. (hence the ugly shanty covering

> > the basement stairs on lots of old houses. )Experience with local soil

> > conditions helps a lot in determining the best approach to take for your

> > application. 'Get expert help' applies even more, if you need a site-built

> > custom stairwell, either poured or laid up from block. Don't forget the

> > drain at the bottom.

> > aem sends....

> Thanks and I should of explained better. These step ARE infact on the

> inside of the house. No outside entry. Is there a way I can send a few

> pictures on this group thing or to you?- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Pictures can't be attached to posts in this group, but can be posted
at any of the various on-line picture sharing sites. You then simply
post a link to the pctures/album in this newsgroup.

Posted by Harry K on October 1, 2007, 10:20 pm

> thie is an OLD house, the cellar has an ODD way of getting down into

> it by way of a bad set of steps. Three steps down then turn right and

> have to BEND under a beam and go down another four to the dirt floor.

> I want to try a spiral type unit in this very tight space. ANY drawing

> and how to would be appreciated.

If you need to pull a permit for the job, you will be in for a big
job. The code will require all kinds of things that probably won't
work without major reconstruction, rise/run, headroom, etc.

Harry K

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