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Seamless gutters and leaf/debris protection AJDupree 07-12-2006
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Posted by AJDupree on July 12, 2006, 8:49 am
Our house does not have any gutters at all, and we've decided to get
them. We want seamless, with some type of leaf protection system. We've
had 5 local places come out and give us estimates. We've narrowed it
down to probably either the LeafGuard system, Gutter Helmet, or
GutterGuardian. Would appreciate any input on any/all of them. We don't
want to "cut corners" and want a good, quality product that will
enhance the value of our home and look good and do what it's supposed
to. We have a large oak tree on one corner of the house, and we have a
couple pine trees in the back, so figure on oak and pine debris. We
live in Michigan, so also have to think of winter ice/snow buildup
also.

Some info:

LeafGuard system: use .032" aluminum 5" gutters with 3x4" commercial
size downspouts. Gutter and leaf guard is a one-piece system, no seams
except at mitered corners (we have 1). Quoted us $2059.55 including all
"discounts" (price with no discounts was $2,423). Discounts are for
things such as: allowing them to place a sign in our yard, install at
their discretion (currently running about 2-3 weeks out), prepayment at
time of order, and 50% labor special they currently have. No biggie -
we can deal with all of that. Since we'd be paying with a credit card,
I don't mind prepayment as we could always contest the charge if for
some reason they didn't do it or did a crappy job). They have a
lifetime, transferable warranty. Their system does NOT go underneath
any shingles, therefore any shingle warranty is protected. They
included a facia support in the quote because the facia on our house is
"stepped", and this would provide more support behind the gutter.

Gutter Helmet of Michigan: use .032" aluminum 5" gutters with standard
2x3" downspouts. The gutters are a one-piece seamless system, except at
mitered corners, and the helmets are in 5' sections. Quoted us
$3,720.82 with all "discounts" (price without discounts was $5,104).
Discounts are for: 10% ad special, Volume discount of another 10%, 1st
visit discount of 10%, and cash/credit card payment discount of 3.5%.
Since we'd be getting both gutters AND the helmets, it comes with a
lifetime transferable warranty. Their system goes underneath the 2nd
row of shingles, but they have letters from the various shingle
manufacturers stating that if properly installed, the Gutter Helment
system would NOT void any shingle warranty. If we needed to re-shingle
our roof, they would charge $2/foot ($200 in our case) to take down the
system and put it back up. Neither we nor the shingle installers can
remove the gutter system. Don't really like that part of the deal. They
did NOT include any facia support; he didn't think it was necessary.

GutterGuardian: use .032" aluminum 5" gutters with standard 2x3"
downspouts. The gutters are one-piece seamless system, except at
mitered corner. I'm not sure about the gutter protection system, as the
quote does not state whether it's seamless or not - I would guess that
it comes in 5' sections like Gutter Helmet does, since LeafGuard touts
itself as being "the only one-piece debris shedding gutter system on
the market today.". Quoted us $1,919 for everything, gutters and
protection system. Comes with a 20-year guarantee. Does not say if it's
transferable if we sell the house. Their system goes under the 2nd row
of shingles also. They provided no mention of whether or not the
shingle warranty would be protected. They did include a facia support
to go between the stepped-back facia and the gutters.


Please reply with any comments on ANY/ALL of these systems. Thanks!


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Posted by RayV on July 12, 2006, 10:01 am

AJDupree wrote:
> Our house does not have any gutters at all, and we've decided to get
> them. We want seamless, with some type of leaf protection system. We've
> had 5 local places come out and give us estimates. We've narrowed it
> down to probably either the LeafGuard system, Gutter Helmet, or
> GutterGuardian. Would appreciate any input on any/all of them. We don't
> want to "cut corners" and want a good, quality product that will
> enhance the value of our home and look good and do what it's supposed
> to. We have a large oak tree on one corner of the house, and we have a
> couple pine trees in the back, so figure on oak and pine debris. We
> live in Michigan, so also have to think of winter ice/snow buildup
> also.
>
> Some info:
>
> LeafGuard system: use .032" aluminum 5" gutters with 3x4" commercial
> size downspouts. Gutter and leaf guard is a one-piece system, no seams
> except at mitered corners (we have 1). Quoted us $2059.55 including all
> "discounts" (price with no discounts was $2,423). Discounts are for
> things such as: allowing them to place a sign in our yard, install at
> their discretion (currently running about 2-3 weeks out), prepayment at
> time of order, and 50% labor special they currently have. No biggie -
> we can deal with all of that. Since we'd be paying with a credit card,
> I don't mind prepayment as we could always contest the charge if for
> some reason they didn't do it or did a crappy job). They have a
> lifetime, transferable warranty. Their system does NOT go underneath
> any shingles, therefore any shingle warranty is protected. They
> included a facia support in the quote because the facia on our house is
> "stepped", and this would provide more support behind the gutter.
>
> Gutter Helmet of Michigan: use .032" aluminum 5" gutters with standard
> 2x3" downspouts. The gutters are a one-piece seamless system, except at
> mitered corners, and the helmets are in 5' sections. Quoted us
> $3,720.82 with all "discounts" (price without discounts was $5,104).
> Discounts are for: 10% ad special, Volume discount of another 10%, 1st
> visit discount of 10%, and cash/credit card payment discount of 3.5%.
> Since we'd be getting both gutters AND the helmets, it comes with a
> lifetime transferable warranty. Their system goes underneath the 2nd
> row of shingles, but they have letters from the various shingle
> manufacturers stating that if properly installed, the Gutter Helment
> system would NOT void any shingle warranty. If we needed to re-shingle
> our roof, they would charge $2/foot ($200 in our case) to take down the
> system and put it back up. Neither we nor the shingle installers can
> remove the gutter system. Don't really like that part of the deal. They
> did NOT include any facia support; he didn't think it was necessary.
>
> GutterGuardian: use .032" aluminum 5" gutters with standard 2x3"
> downspouts. The gutters are one-piece seamless system, except at
> mitered corner. I'm not sure about the gutter protection system, as the
> quote does not state whether it's seamless or not - I would guess that
> it comes in 5' sections like Gutter Helmet does, since LeafGuard touts
> itself as being "the only one-piece debris shedding gutter system on
> the market today.". Quoted us $1,919 for everything, gutters and
> protection system. Comes with a 20-year guarantee. Does not say if it's
> transferable if we sell the house. Their system goes under the 2nd row
> of shingles also. They provided no mention of whether or not the
> shingle warranty would be protected. They did include a facia support
> to go between the stepped-back facia and the gutters.
>
>
> Please reply with any comments on ANY/ALL of these systems. Thanks!

Don't have any of these but my BIL has LeafGuard or similar and it
works except on one inside corner (hip roof) with strong downpour.
Biggest drawback is bees & wasps love to make nests inside them and you
can't effectively spray inside the gutter.

The inside corner problem could probably be handled with something like
this but he never tried it.
http://www.rainhandler.com/RVRD.html


Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on July 12, 2006, 10:16 am


> Gutter Helmet of Michigan: use .032" aluminum 5" gutters with standard
> 2x3" downspouts. The gutters are a one-piece seamless system, except at
> mitered corners, and the helmets are in 5' sections. Quoted us
> $3,720.82 with all "discounts" (price without discounts was $5,104).


No experience with any of them, but I'd toss this one out. May be good, but
very high price. They want to dazzle you with a huge "discount".



Posted by MDT at Paragon Home Inspection on July 12, 2006, 12:31 pm
IG2 is the only one I've seen that does not clog up (in Chicago,
anyway), I use this on my own buildings when gutters are in a location
that makes them difficult to service.

http://www.swistun.com/invisiguard.asp

Local manufacturer, don't know if they have national distribution.

Even this stuff does need to be hosed clean yearly in a few shelterd
locations where it's not swept clean by the wind.

Michael Thomas
Paragon Home Inspection, LLC
Chicago, IL
mdtATparagoninspectsDOTcom
eight47-721-0776


Posted by RobertPatrick on July 12, 2006, 2:00 pm

> Our house does not have any gutters at all, and we've decided to get
> them. We want seamless, with some type of leaf protection system. We've
> had 5 local places come out and give us estimates. We've narrowed it
> down to probably either the LeafGuard system, Gutter Helmet, or
> GutterGuardian. Would appreciate any input on any/all of them. We don't
> want to "cut corners" and want a good, quality product that will
> enhance the value of our home and look good and do what it's supposed
> to. We have a large oak tree on one corner of the house, and we have a
> couple pine trees in the back, so figure on oak and pine debris. We
> live in Michigan, so also have to think of winter ice/snow buildup
> also.
>
> Some info:
>
> LeafGuard system: use .032" aluminum 5" gutters with 3x4" commercial
> size downspouts. Gutter and leaf guard is a one-piece system, no seams
> except at mitered corners (we have 1). Quoted us $2059.55 including all
> "discounts" (price with no discounts was $2,423). Discounts are for
> things such as: allowing them to place a sign in our yard, install at
> their discretion (currently running about 2-3 weeks out), prepayment at
> time of order, and 50% labor special they currently have. No biggie -
> we can deal with all of that. Since we'd be paying with a credit card,
> I don't mind prepayment as we could always contest the charge if for
> some reason they didn't do it or did a crappy job). They have a
> lifetime, transferable warranty. Their system does NOT go underneath
> any shingles, therefore any shingle warranty is protected. They
> included a facia support in the quote because the facia on our house is
> "stepped", and this would provide more support behind the gutter.
>
> Gutter Helmet of Michigan: use .032" aluminum 5" gutters with standard
> 2x3" downspouts. The gutters are a one-piece seamless system, except at
> mitered corners, and the helmets are in 5' sections. Quoted us
> $3,720.82 with all "discounts" (price without discounts was $5,104).
> Discounts are for: 10% ad special, Volume discount of another 10%, 1st
> visit discount of 10%, and cash/credit card payment discount of 3.5%.
> Since we'd be getting both gutters AND the helmets, it comes with a
> lifetime transferable warranty. Their system goes underneath the 2nd
> row of shingles, but they have letters from the various shingle
> manufacturers stating that if properly installed, the Gutter Helment
> system would NOT void any shingle warranty. If we needed to re-shingle
> our roof, they would charge $2/foot ($200 in our case) to take down the
> system and put it back up. Neither we nor the shingle installers can
> remove the gutter system. Don't really like that part of the deal. They
> did NOT include any facia support; he didn't think it was necessary.
>
> GutterGuardian: use .032" aluminum 5" gutters with standard 2x3"
> downspouts. The gutters are one-piece seamless system, except at
> mitered corner. I'm not sure about the gutter protection system, as the
> quote does not state whether it's seamless or not - I would guess that
> it comes in 5' sections like Gutter Helmet does, since LeafGuard touts
> itself as being "the only one-piece debris shedding gutter system on
> the market today.". Quoted us $1,919 for everything, gutters and
> protection system. Comes with a 20-year guarantee. Does not say if it's
> transferable if we sell the house. Their system goes under the 2nd row
> of shingles also. They provided no mention of whether or not the
> shingle warranty would be protected. They did include a facia support
> to go between the stepped-back facia and the gutters.
>
>
> Please reply with any comments on ANY/ALL of these systems. Thanks!
>
>

We have the type of gutter covers where the cover has 2 or 3 "steps" to
keep debris away. Under each "step" the water goes in and into the gutter.
We love the system. Sorry, I don't know the brand name. I can't say about
the price. It was all included - new roof, new gutters, new
fascia.(roughly 7k+). We have a lot of roof area.

Here are a couple of sites where the photos look similar to what we have:

http://www.b4ubuild.com/special/gutters/gutrgrd2.shtml - the 2nd pic down,
the one split in half brown and white.

http://www.water-fall.cc/

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