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Senility check - Garden shed foundation Bill Stock 04-18-2007
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Posted by Bill Stock on April 18, 2007, 8:50 pm


I was sure I'd asked this question a few months back, but I searched and
could not find the original post.

I want to put up a pump house with water wheel for a small pond. I plan on
renting a 'Little Beaver' to dig the holes for my supports. I also want to
put up a small garden shed. So I was thinking of digging some holes, filling
them with compacted gravel and putting foundation blocks on the gravel to
support the shed. I'll probably dig the holes about 3' deep for both the
shed and the pump house. The shed will have nothing but gravel in the holes
and the pump house holes will be started with gravel and then enough
concrete to hold the posts in place.

The frost line is about three feet down, although with the warmer weather
heaving seems to be less of a concern. It just seems that a concrete slab is
overkill for a small (10x8) garden shed?




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Posted by aemeijers on April 18, 2007, 9:20 pm



>I was sure I'd asked this question a few months back, but I searched and
>could not find the original post.
>
> I want to put up a pump house with water wheel for a small pond. I plan on
> renting a 'Little Beaver' to dig the holes for my supports. I also want to
> put up a small garden shed. So I was thinking of digging some holes,
> filling them with compacted gravel and putting foundation blocks on the
> gravel to support the shed. I'll probably dig the holes about 3' deep for
> both the shed and the pump house. The shed will have nothing but gravel in
> the holes and the pump house holes will be started with gravel and then
> enough concrete to hold the posts in place.
>
> The frost line is about three feet down, although with the warmer weather
> heaving seems to be less of a concern. It just seems that a concrete slab
> is overkill for a small (10x8) garden shed?
>
If you're going to that much work anyway, why not just use sonotubes and put
down proper piers with anchor bolts on the top for clips to hold the floor
system of the shed?

aem sends...



Posted by Bill Stock on April 18, 2007, 10:01 pm



>
>>I was sure I'd asked this question a few months back, but I searched and
>>could not find the original post.
>>
>> I want to put up a pump house with water wheel for a small pond. I plan
>> on renting a 'Little Beaver' to dig the holes for my supports. I also
>> want to put up a small garden shed. So I was thinking of digging some
>> holes, filling them with compacted gravel and putting foundation blocks
>> on the gravel to support the shed. I'll probably dig the holes about 3'
>> deep for both the shed and the pump house. The shed will have nothing but
>> gravel in the holes and the pump house holes will be started with gravel
>> and then enough concrete to hold the posts in place.
>>
>> The frost line is about three feet down, although with the warmer weather
>> heaving seems to be less of a concern. It just seems that a concrete slab
>> is overkill for a small (10x8) garden shed?
>>
> If you're going to that much work anyway, why not just use sonotubes and
> put down proper piers with anchor bolts on the top for clips to hold the
> floor system of the shed?
>
> aem sends...

I was hoping not to rent a cement mixer.

I estimate the shed will need 9 piers. Whereas the pump house is only
getting four. Mixing cement for four posts by hand will be bad enough.




Posted by Bill Stock on April 18, 2007, 11:06 pm



> Bill Stock wrote:
>> I was sure I'd asked this question a few months back, but I searched and
>> could not find the original post.
>>
>> I want to put up a pump house with water wheel for a small pond. I plan
>> on renting a 'Little Beaver' to dig the holes for my supports. I also
>> want to put up a small garden shed. So I was thinking of digging some
>> holes, filling them with compacted gravel and putting foundation blocks
>> on the gravel to support the shed. I'll probably dig the holes about 3'
>> deep for both the shed and the pump house. The shed will have nothing but
>> gravel in the holes and the pump house holes will be started with gravel
>> and then enough concrete to hold the posts in place.
>>
>> The frost line is about three feet down, although with the warmer weather
>> heaving seems to be less of a concern. It just seems that a concrete slab
>> is overkill for a small (10x8) garden shed?
>
> My 12' x 16' pool cabana (nee garden shed) with hot and cold water and
> waste drain has no foundation whatsoever. The 2" x 8" PT floor joists are
> sitting on a bed of gravel. In the winter, after the water is shut off and
> drained, it serves as a storage shed for the pool and other summer
> amenities. It's been there for about 18 years.
>
> --
>
> Bill
> In Hamptonburgh, NY

Thanks,

The shed will be somewhat close to a spruce tree, so I'm hoping the post
holes will disturb the roots less than a complete excavation.




Posted by Lawrence on April 18, 2007, 11:51 pm


>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bill Stock wrote:
> >> I was sure I'd asked this question a few months back, but I searched and
> >> could not find the original post.
>
> >> I want to put up a pump house with water wheel for a small pond. I plan
> >> on renting a 'Little Beaver' to dig the holes for my supports. I also
> >> want to put up a small garden shed. So I was thinking of digging some
> >> holes, filling them with compacted gravel and putting foundation blocks
> >> on the gravel to support the shed. I'll probably dig the holes about 3'
> >> deep for both the shed and the pump house. The shed will have nothing but
> >> gravel in the holes and the pump house holes will be started with gravel
> >> and then enough concrete to hold the posts in place.
>
> >> The frost line is about three feet down, although with the warmer weather
> >> heaving seems to be less of a concern. It just seems that a concrete slab
> >> is overkill for a small (10x8) garden shed?
>
> > My 12' x 16' pool cabana (nee garden shed) with hot and cold water and
> > waste drain has no foundation whatsoever. The 2" x 8" PT floor joists are
> > sitting on a bed of gravel. In the winter, after the water is shut off and
> > drained, it serves as a storage shed for the pool and other summer
> > amenities. It's been there for about 18 years.
>
> > --
>
> > Bill
> > In Hamptonburgh, NY
>
> Thanks,
>
> The shed will be somewhat close to a spruce tree, so I'm hoping the post
> holes will disturb the roots less than a complete excavation.- Hide quoted
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>
> - Show quoted text -

That's good thinking. A mature tree is impossible to replace if
damaged. Are there many trees of this type on your place? Any type
of foundation is OK for a shed if you are at risk for damaging an
irreplaceable tree. If you have a lot of spruce on your place them
you can worry less, I suppose.


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