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Short cycling well pump jmagerl 12-20-2006
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Posted by jmagerl on December 20, 2006, 10:25 am


My water system is losing pressure causing the pump to come on every 3
minutes for about 10 seconds. The leak is somewhere outside the house.

The most likely cause would be a leak in the 40 year old galvanized pipe
they used to bring the water to the house. (I had a previous leak this
spring of that cause).

I am out of cash for such a major repair at this time and would like to
postpone it till spring (bonus time). So my question would be: Would could I
expect to happen if I installed a check valve inside the house? I am mainly
interested in reducing the short cycling on the pump. What other failures
can cause this problem? If there were a pin hole leak in the pipe, would I
see it at the surface? Would I be open to contamination?

I expect the fix to be a complete repiping with plastic. I also assume that
at some point they would have to pull the pump up to make the attachment.
Would it be advisable to replace the pump at that time (40 years old)?

I guess water is not free. You pay for it one way or another.
The joys of home ownership......



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Posted by Frank on December 20, 2006, 11:59 am



jmagerl wrote:
> My water system is losing pressure causing the pump to come on every 3
> minutes for about 10 seconds. The leak is somewhere outside the house.
>
> The most likely cause would be a leak in the 40 year old galvanized pipe
> they used to bring the water to the house. (I had a previous leak this
> spring of that cause).
>
> I am out of cash for such a major repair at this time and would like to
> postpone it till spring (bonus time). So my question would be: Would could I
> expect to happen if I installed a check valve inside the house? I am mainly
> interested in reducing the short cycling on the pump. What other failures
> can cause this problem? If there were a pin hole leak in the pipe, would I
> see it at the surface? Would I be open to contamination?
>
> I expect the fix to be a complete repiping with plastic. I also assume that
> at some point they would have to pull the pump up to make the attachment.
> Would it be advisable to replace the pump at that time (40 years old)?
>
> I guess water is not free. You pay for it one way or another.
> The joys of home ownership......

I assume you know your pressure tank is not low or broken. You're
risking the life of your pump if you let the problem go on.

Frank


Posted by avid_hiker on December 20, 2006, 1:08 pm



Had the same prob when I lived in upstate, NY. Ended up being the
pressure tank......filled halfway with sand from the well.


Posted by on December 20, 2006, 1:19 pm



jmagerl wrote:
> My water system is losing pressure causing the pump to come on every 3
> minutes for about 10 seconds. The leak is somewhere outside the house.
>
> The most likely cause would be a leak in the 40 year old galvanized pipe
> they used to bring the water to the house. (I had a previous leak this
> spring of that cause).
>
> I am out of cash for such a major repair at this time and would like to
> postpone it till spring (bonus time). So my question would be: Would could I
> expect to happen if I installed a check valve inside the house? I am mainly
> interested in reducing the short cycling on the pump. What other failures
> can cause this problem? If there were a pin hole leak in the pipe, would I
> see it at the surface? Would I be open to contamination?
>
> I expect the fix to be a complete repiping with plastic. I also assume that
> at some point they would have to pull the pump up to make the attachment.
> Would it be advisable to replace the pump at that time (40 years old)?
>
> I guess water is not free. You pay for it one way or another.
> The joys of home ownership......

The short cycling is not due to the leak- the on/off setpoints are too
close, or the tank has too little air in it (if its a bladder type
tank, the bladder could be shot).

Sneaky leaks often occur in the toilets- either the float controlled
fill valve doesn't shut off all the way, or it dribbles water from the
tank to the bowl.

If its the fill valve, the water will be up to the top of the overflow
tube in the tank. You'll never hear this leak.
If its the tank-bowl valve leaking, every once in awhile that toilet
will 'run'.

Dave


Posted by Harry K on December 20, 2006, 10:42 pm



spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com wrote:
> jmagerl wrote:
> > My water system is losing pressure causing the pump to come on every 3
> > minutes for about 10 seconds. The leak is somewhere outside the house.
> >
> > The most likely cause would be a leak in the 40 year old galvanized pipe
> > they used to bring the water to the house. (I had a previous leak this
> > spring of that cause).
> >
> > I am out of cash for such a major repair at this time and would like to
> > postpone it till spring (bonus time). So my question would be: Would could I
> > expect to happen if I installed a check valve inside the house? I am mainly
> > interested in reducing the short cycling on the pump. What other failures
> > can cause this problem? If there were a pin hole leak in the pipe, would I
> > see it at the surface? Would I be open to contamination?
> >
> > I expect the fix to be a complete repiping with plastic. I also assume that
> > at some point they would have to pull the pump up to make the attachment.
> > Would it be advisable to replace the pump at that time (40 years old)?
> >
> > I guess water is not free. You pay for it one way or another.
> > The joys of home ownership......
>
> The short cycling is not due to the leak- the on/off setpoints are too
> close, or the tank has too little air in it (if its a bladder type
> tank, the bladder could be shot).
>

<snip>

> Dave

The short cycling most assuredly _is_ due to a leak. He says the pump
runs every 3 minutes. It won't do that unless the pressure is leaking
down. Improper precharge or maladjusted pressure switches only cause
problems when water is being drawn.

Harry K


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