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Posted by PE on March 4, 2007, 10:05 pm
Hi all: I recently noticed that Home Depot is selling a copper bonding
expoxy product in the plumbing dept. that's billed as being as good as
solder. Seems like it might be a useful alternative to use on joints in
tight, enclosed areas where heating the parts with an open flame is
difficult/dangerous. Would appreciate any informed opinions regarding
whether or not the product referenced above might be an acceptable
substitute for solder in the circumstances mentioned. Thanks for your
replies!!
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Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on March 4, 2007, 10:18 pm
> Hi all: I recently noticed that Home Depot is selling a copper bonding
> expoxy product in the plumbing dept. that's billed as being as good as
> solder. Seems like it might be a useful alternative to use on joints in
> tight, enclosed areas where heating the parts with an open flame is
> difficult/dangerous. Would appreciate any informed opinions regarding
> whether or not the product referenced above might be an acceptable
> substitute for solder in the circumstances mentioned. Thanks for your
> replies!!
I've never had a solder joint fail. I'm not going to change and hope that
the epoxy will still be there in five or ten years.
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Posted by Tony Hwang on March 4, 2007, 11:18 pm
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>Hi all: I recently noticed that Home Depot is selling a copper bonding
>>expoxy product in the plumbing dept. that's billed as being as good as
>>solder. Seems like it might be a useful alternative to use on joints in
>>tight, enclosed areas where heating the parts with an open flame is
>>difficult/dangerous. Would appreciate any informed opinions regarding
>>whether or not the product referenced above might be an acceptable
>>substitute for solder in the circumstances mentioned. Thanks for your
>>replies!!
>
>
> I've never had a solder joint fail. I'm not going to change and hope that
> the epoxy will still be there in five or ten years.
>
>
Hi,
Ditto but maybe after it is proven over time?
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Posted by Steve B on March 5, 2007, 12:08 am
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all: I recently noticed that Home Depot is selling a copper bonding
>>>expoxy product in the plumbing dept. that's billed as being as good as
>>>solder. Seems like it might be a useful alternative to use on joints in
>>>tight, enclosed areas where heating the parts with an open flame is
>>>difficult/dangerous. Would appreciate any informed opinions regarding
>>>whether or not the product referenced above might be an acceptable
>>>substitute for solder in the circumstances mentioned. Thanks for your
>>>replies!!
>>
>>
>> I've never had a solder joint fail. I'm not going to change and hope
>> that the epoxy will still be there in five or ten years.
> Hi,
> Ditto but maybe after it is proven over time?
I hate the words "should" and "maybe."
When one considers that usually once you solder a joint, you cover it up
with other stuff, and if there's a problem, there's a major problem ripping
it out and doing it again, plus the water damage, why would anyone even
consider doing it any other way but solder?
Yes, soldering is dangerous. But they make all sorts of shields and
blankets, and lots of times, the joints are out where there is very little
danger. Some pieces can be made in trees, and never come in contact with
anything dangerous or flammable.
Soldering isn't rocket surgery. I believe I could teach a monkey to do it
in a day, and a twentysomething lip pierced moron in two days. Get a clean
joint, use flux, don't overheat, learn how to flow solder, and bingo.
I have repaired some amazing things with JB Weld and other epoxies. But,
when you consider thermal expansion, water hammer, rollercoaster
temperatures, and other things, I'll stick with solder, even if epoxy is
proven to be adequate for copper pipe. You can still get your mix wrong
with epoxies, have surface contaminants, incorrect cleaning, and other
things that will cause ultimate failure.
And when there is a failure, you will be ripping and tearing, repairing
sodden materials, and most probably be dealing with mold down the line.
IIRC, years ago, they came up with this new water piping system that used
crimps and swages that was going to revolutionize the water pipe systems in
housing. All it turned into was ruined houses and class action suits.
If you can't at least solder, or learn how to do so in a day, you shouldn't
be messing with copper. It's that important.
Just my two pennies.
Steve
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Posted by on March 5, 2007, 9:16 am
>I believe I could teach a monkey to do it
> in a day, and a twentysomething lip
> pierced moron in two days.
Steve!? 2 days for the moron? Optimistic!
Dave S(Texas)
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