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Solid Stain over Varnish? Walter R. 08-18-2007
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Posted by Walter R. on August 18, 2007, 12:36 am
25 years ago, my entry door started with a stain and a layer of lacquer,
which was not worth a darn. Fifteen years ago, I used "Furniture Restorer"
to smooth out the badly weathered lacquer finish.

I then gave it two coats of spar varnish. Now the varnish is
weathering/deteriorating. It is not coming off, just looks weathered and
dark in some areas.

The door is heavily carved and paneled. I can't see how I could possibly
remove the old finishes. The wood is solid mahogany.

Can I use a "Solid Stain" on top of the old varnish? That way the exterior
finish would look uniform, without looking painted. ??

--
Walter
www.rationality.net
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Posted by on August 18, 2007, 11:07 am
> 25 years ago, my entry door started with a stain and a layer of lacquer,
> which was not worth a darn. Fifteen years ago, I used "Furniture Restorer"
> to smooth out the badly weathered lacquer finish.
>
> I then gave it two coats of spar varnish. Now the varnish is
> weathering/deteriorating. It is not coming off, just looks weathered and
> dark in some areas.
>
> The door is heavily carved and paneled. I can't see how I could possibly
> remove the old finishes. The wood is solid mahogany.
>
> Can I use a "Solid Stain" on top of the old varnish? That way the exterior
> finish would look uniform, without looking painted. ??
>
> --
> Walterwww.rationality.net
> -

Most solid stains look very much like paint because they serve a
similar function. They hide what is underneath. You might be able to
use a gel stain, which is a thick stain type product that while
covering up, is designed to leave some shading, brush strokes, etc,
that appear similar to natural wood variation.

However, with a solid mahogany door, I think my first approach would
be to strip it and then use a regular stain and clear coat sealer. I
stripped my double entry doors. I used paint/varnish remover. It did
take some time and elbow work to deal with the various features, but
the results were well worth it. Another option would be to take them
to a shop that does professional stripping refinishing.


Posted by Walter R. on August 18, 2007, 12:03 pm
Thank you. I am too old to take this one myself. I'll try to find a
professional stripper.

My concern with stripping is that the interior is in excellent condition and
I am afraid, if they use stripper on the exterior side, the liquids will
ooze through the many cracks were the door is assembled, ruining the
interior side.

--
Walter
www.rationality.net
-

>> 25 years ago, my entry door started with a stain and a layer of lacquer,
>> which was not worth a darn. Fifteen years ago, I used "Furniture
>> Restorer"
>> to smooth out the badly weathered lacquer finish.
>>
>> I then gave it two coats of spar varnish. Now the varnish is
>> weathering/deteriorating. It is not coming off, just looks weathered and
>> dark in some areas.
>>
>> The door is heavily carved and paneled. I can't see how I could possibly
>> remove the old finishes. The wood is solid mahogany.
>>
>> Can I use a "Solid Stain" on top of the old varnish? That way the
>> exterior
>> finish would look uniform, without looking painted. ??
>>
>> --
>> Walterwww.rationality.net
>> -
>
> Most solid stains look very much like paint because they serve a
> similar function. They hide what is underneath. You might be able to
> use a gel stain, which is a thick stain type product that while
> covering up, is designed to leave some shading, brush strokes, etc,
> that appear similar to natural wood variation.
>
> However, with a solid mahogany door, I think my first approach would
> be to strip it and then use a regular stain and clear coat sealer. I
> stripped my double entry doors. I used paint/varnish remover. It did
> take some time and elbow work to deal with the various features, but
> the results were well worth it. Another option would be to take them
> to a shop that does professional stripping refinishing.
>



Posted by Art on August 18, 2007, 12:45 pm
There are new strippers available that are not like the ones you remember.
Also consider varathane water based spar finish for the final clear coat.
Hard to find but it is easier to apply than the oil based and you can easily
do 4 coats in a day.




> Thank you. I am too old to take this one myself. I'll try to find a
> professional stripper.
>
> My concern with stripping is that the interior is in excellent condition
> and I am afraid, if they use stripper on the exterior side, the liquids
> will ooze through the many cracks were the door is assembled, ruining the
> interior side.
>
> --
> Walter
> www.rationality.net
> -
>
>>> 25 years ago, my entry door started with a stain and a layer of lacquer,
>>> which was not worth a darn. Fifteen years ago, I used "Furniture
>>> Restorer"
>>> to smooth out the badly weathered lacquer finish.
>>>
>>> I then gave it two coats of spar varnish. Now the varnish is
>>> weathering/deteriorating. It is not coming off, just looks weathered and
>>> dark in some areas.
>>>
>>> The door is heavily carved and paneled. I can't see how I could possibly
>>> remove the old finishes. The wood is solid mahogany.
>>>
>>> Can I use a "Solid Stain" on top of the old varnish? That way the
>>> exterior
>>> finish would look uniform, without looking painted. ??
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walterwww.rationality.net
>>> -
>>
>> Most solid stains look very much like paint because they serve a
>> similar function. They hide what is underneath. You might be able to
>> use a gel stain, which is a thick stain type product that while
>> covering up, is designed to leave some shading, brush strokes, etc,
>> that appear similar to natural wood variation.
>>
>> However, with a solid mahogany door, I think my first approach would
>> be to strip it and then use a regular stain and clear coat sealer. I
>> stripped my double entry doors. I used paint/varnish remover. It did
>> take some time and elbow work to deal with the various features, but
>> the results were well worth it. Another option would be to take them
>> to a shop that does professional stripping refinishing.
>>
>
>



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