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Speaking of satellite converter boxes..... Terry 10-13-2007
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Posted by Terry on November 14, 2007, 3:16 pm
wrote:

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>
>[snip]
>
>> What is the phone audit all about anyway, are you saying you get a call
>> from DTV wanting s/n's from your receivers?
>>
>Yes -- we have four receivers (Living Room, 2 Bedrooms, hobby room), and
>about two months after installation we got a call auditing our use of the
>receivers, asking for a couple of code numbers out of the software for each
>receiver. This required going to each room, turning on the system and
>getting setup info on the screen. Being careful and not sure who was
>actually calling, I wouldn't answer their questions and asked for their
>phone number. Then I called Dish TV (my provider) but their customer
>service wasn't aware of what was happening (so I didn't return the auditer's
>phone call). Two days later my satellite service was shut off, even though
>I was paid up. I called CS again, they transferred me to the audit company,
>and we went through our system receiver by receiver. They told me at the
>time that they would shut down any receivers that couldn't be audited and
>would start charging a monthly fee to have them reinstated. Within an hour
>of the end of the audit satellite service was restored.
>
>The audit was not particularly friendly (I won't go into details, but they
>appeared to be starting from the position that I was cheating on them by
>having receivers spread out in several houses.) There have been a few times
>when I have seriously considered terminating the Dish TV service, and this
>was one of those time. If I hadn't had a lot of my money already tied up by
>purchasing the Dish receivers, I probably would have moved to Direct TV at
>that time. I did make a formal complaint to Dish TV Customer Service about
>this procedure, and it hasn't happened to me since.
>
>It may be that if you only have two receivers you're a less visible
>target -- certainly someone with four receivers is in the top few % of their
>business and anyone trying to get away with having receivers in multiple
>houses is likely to have four or more receivers, so we were an obvious
>target --
>

Which really shows just how poorly the one box per room design is. 4
TVs is not an uncommon thing. Paying rent to the satellite company
for 4 is. It is a very unfair charge.

The unscrambling design could have been done on the incoming signal
before splitting it to the rooms. It was a conscious decision on the
part of the satellite company to charge more. Most people don't pay
extra and are inconvenienced by having to watch the same show in more
than one room. The tuner and the remote control for the TV are
useless.

It is the main reason I am still using Cable.




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Posted by BobR on November 14, 2007, 3:40 pm
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >[snip]
>
> >> What is the phone audit all about anyway, are you saying you get a call
> >> from DTV wanting s/n's from your receivers?
>
> >Yes -- we have four receivers (Living Room, 2 Bedrooms, hobby room), and
> >about two months after installation we got a call auditing our use of the
> >receivers, asking for a couple of code numbers out of the software for each
> >receiver. This required going to each room, turning on the system and
> >getting setup info on the screen. Being careful and not sure who was
> >actually calling, I wouldn't answer their questions and asked for their
> >phone number. Then I called Dish TV (my provider) but their customer
> >service wasn't aware of what was happening (so I didn't return the auditer's
> >phone call). Two days later my satellite service was shut off, even though
> >I was paid up. I called CS again, they transferred me to the audit company,
> >and we went through our system receiver by receiver. They told me at the
> >time that they would shut down any receivers that couldn't be audited and
> >would start charging a monthly fee to have them reinstated. Within an hour
> >of the end of the audit satellite service was restored.
>
> >The audit was not particularly friendly (I won't go into details, but they
> >appeared to be starting from the position that I was cheating on them by
> >having receivers spread out in several houses.) There have been a few times
> >when I have seriously considered terminating the Dish TV service, and this
> >was one of those time. If I hadn't had a lot of my money already tied up by
> >purchasing the Dish receivers, I probably would have moved to Direct TV at
> >that time. I did make a formal complaint to Dish TV Customer Service about
> >this procedure, and it hasn't happened to me since.
>
> >It may be that if you only have two receivers you're a less visible
> >target -- certainly someone with four receivers is in the top few % of their
> >business and anyone trying to get away with having receivers in multiple
> >houses is likely to have four or more receivers, so we were an obvious
> >target --
>
> Which really shows just how poorly the one box per room design is. 4
> TVs is not an uncommon thing. Paying rent to the satellite company
> for 4 is. It is a very unfair charge.
>
> The unscrambling design could have been done on the incoming signal
> before splitting it to the rooms. It was a conscious decision on the
> part of the satellite company to charge more. Most people don't pay
> extra and are inconvenienced by having to watch the same show in more
> than one room. The tuner and the remote control for the TV are
> useless.
>
> It is the main reason I am still using Cable.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Clearly you have a very poor understanding of how the Satellite
systems work and more importantly how the descrambler works. I sure
don't think you would be willing to pay the price of a descrambler
that would have to descramble all the signals for hundreds of channels
and post them on different frequencies on your internal wiring.



Posted by Mark Lloyd on November 14, 2007, 6:00 pm
wrote:

[snip]

>
>Which really shows just how poorly the one box per room design is. 4
>TVs is not an uncommon thing. Paying rent to the satellite company
>for 4 is. It is a very unfair charge.
>
>The unscrambling design could have been done on the incoming signal
>before splitting it to the rooms. It was a conscious decision on the
>part of the satellite company to charge more. Most people don't pay
>extra and are inconvenienced by having to watch the same show in more
>than one room. The tuner and the remote control for the TV are
>useless.
>
>It is the main reason I am still using Cable.
>
>

Descrambling multiple channels simultaneously requires equipment per
channel. The number of channels available is normally much greater
than the number of channels being watched at any one time.
Unscrambling all channels as they enter the house would therefore be
much more expensive.
--
41 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Never underestimate the power of stupid
people in large groups"

Posted by trainfan1 on October 15, 2007, 8:46 am
Terry wrote:
> I have a friend that is splitting his subscription 3 ways.
>
> Direct TV is furnishing him the full package. It runs around 110$ a
> month last time we talked about it. Plus he pays $5x3 for the extra
> boxes.
>
> He has 2 of the boxes in his house and one at his parents house and
> one at his wife's parents house. 3 families split 125 and get
> everything.
>
>


This is how we get around the NFL "blackout" rule.

Our Direct TV is registered at our camp well outside the 100 mile
radius(there are dishes at both home & the cabin).

Works like a charm.

Rob

Posted by hallerb@aol.com on October 15, 2007, 9:21 am
providers call and ask for unique numbers from each box they change by
satellite, if you cant walk around your home and give them numbers
from each box you get shut down.

doing thisa is the same as going in a store and stealing merchandise


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