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Posted by Sam E on April 5, 2008, 8:14 pm
On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:52:54 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>>>
>>> "old work" box with a blank plate.
>>>
>> http://www.hammerzone.com/archives/elect/remodel1/lighting/track2ft/oldworkbox
>>.htm
>>>
>>>> It is the second part that is confusing me. How can I make the junction
>>>> box
>>>> accessible when I just need to lengthen the wire by about a foot in the
>>>> ceiling of a finished area? It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the
>>>> light
>>>> fixture, but "accessible" to me means the box is visible or in some
>>>> access
>>>> door.
>>>
>>> The box is flush with the ceiling.
>>>
>>
>>I've used Carlon boxes before in walls. So you're saying I need to put a
>>box in the ceiling with a cover? Man, that would be ugly.
>
>Maybe so... but that's what's required.
It's required as it should be. That is, it has a function.
I've seen much worse-looking "decorative items". These have no actual
use, so are not ugly.
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Posted by Mark Lloyd on April 5, 2008, 8:12 pm
On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:46:11 -0400, "Buck Turgidson"
>>
>> "old work" box with a blank plate.
>>
http://www.hammerzone.com/archives/elect/remodel1/lighting/track2ft/oldworkbox.htm
>>
>>> It is the second part that is confusing me. How can I make the junction
>>> box
>>> accessible when I just need to lengthen the wire by about a foot in the
>>> ceiling of a finished area? It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the
>>> light
>>> fixture, but "accessible" to me means the box is visible or in some
>>> access
>>> door.
>>
>> The box is flush with the ceiling.
>>
>
>I've used Carlon boxes before in walls. So you're saying I need to put a
>box in the ceiling with a cover? Man, that would be ugly.
>
If THAT is ugly, A/C vents are much more so. I find I hardly ever
notice mine.
Would it help to mount a smoke alarm over that box?
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
"Never underestimate the power of stupid
people in large groups"
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Posted by Bawana on April 5, 2008, 8:12 pm
> > "old work" box with a blank plate.
> >http://www.hammerzone.com/archives/elect/remodel1/lighting/track2ft/o...
>
> >> It is the second part that is confusing me. How can I make the junction
> >> box
> >> accessible when I just need to lengthen the wire by about a foot in the
> >> ceiling of a finished area? It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the
> >> light
> >> fixture, but "accessible" to me means the box is visible or in some
> >> access
> >> door.
>
> > The box is flush with the ceiling.
>
> I've used Carlon boxes before in walls. So you're saying I need to put a
> box in the ceiling with a cover?
Yes.
> Man, that would be ugly.
Not really. Barely noticeable.
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Posted by aemeijers on April 5, 2008, 5:52 pm
Buck Turgidson wrote:
> I need to lengthen some old wiring in order to make all the wires of a 3-way
> switch come together in a recessed lighting box that I am installing in a
> first floor ceiling (no insulation).
>
> In doing some web research, I see that splices can be done, but they must be
> done in a junction box, and must be accessible.
>
> It is the second part that is confusing me. How can I make the junction box
> accessible when I just need to lengthen the wire by about a foot in the
> ceiling of a finished area? It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the light
> fixture, but "accessible" to me means the box is visible or in some access
> door.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Yep, you got it. I found a loose butt splice buried in the wall behind
the medicine cabinet, when I cleaned up the wiring in the bathroom
shortly after moving in here. Thankfully it was a low-draw circuit and
hadn't started any fires, and I had access from the attic to drop a new
wire.
When you say first floor, I assume there is no access from above? Are
the wires in the joist spaces floating or stapled? Which way do they
run? Any way you can add a junction box in a closet ceiling or some
place it won't look horrible, and fish the wires there? Or can you get
to the far end of the wire, and use the existing wire to pull a new
longer wire? Wire costs a lot more than it used to, but it is still
cheaper than patching wallboard and repainting. Any other way you can
fish new wire and just abandon the existing wires in place? Really hard
to offer advice without seeing the room. You may wanna consider hiring
one of those moonlighting or semi-retired electricians that advertise in
the ad papers, to come take a look. Make sure they have 'old work'
experience. They usually know a few tricks about fishing wires, and
other ways to lay out a circuit.
--
aem sends...
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Posted by John Grabowski on April 5, 2008, 6:20 pm
>I need to lengthen some old wiring in order to make all the wires of a
>3-way switch come together in a recessed lighting box that I am installing
>in a first floor ceiling (no insulation).
>
> In doing some web research, I see that splices can be done, but they must
> be done in a junction box, and must be accessible.
>
> It is the second part that is confusing me. How can I make the junction
> box accessible when I just need to lengthen the wire by about a foot in
> the ceiling of a finished area? It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the
> light fixture, but "accessible" to me means the box is visible or in some
> access door.
>
> Thanks.
If you are using the junction box to support the light fixture then you are
fine in doing that. Fixture boxes are frequently used as junction boxes.
Just make sure that the box is deep enough for all of the wires.
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